Religions and genocide prevention: the discussion

I am still  reflecting on the rich experience I had yesterday,
at the lengthy panel discussion on “Religious Contribution to Genocide Prevention
that my dear friend Andrea Bartoli organized as part of the
International Prayer for Peace
.  Andrea, who teaches in the international-relations program at Columbia
University, is also the US representative of the Catholic lay organization
Sant’ Egidio, which organized the whole event.  I came to know Andrea
because of the role that he (and Sant’ Egidio) had played in helping broker
the Mozambique peace accord of 1992.

Highlights of yesterday’s panel, for me, included:

— hearing Qamar-ul Huda, a Muslim staff member of the
US Institute of Peace, talking about the role that Rwanda’s very small population
of Muslims played in helping to save lives during the genocide there in 1994;
hearing him reflect deeply and honestly on the phenomenon of seeing Muslims
kill Muslims in Darfur– and Muslims kill Christians and other non-Muslims,
earlier, in Southern Sudan; and seeing al-Qaeda leaders and others exploiting
Muslim teachings to incite violence and hatred; and listening to him talking
about the continuing need to engage in internal debate within Muslim religious
circles over interpretations of texts and the requirements of “correct” Muslim
practice…

— hearing him talk, to, about a decision he’d learned about that was made
recently by the heads of different religious organizations in the Iraqi city
of Samarra, to jointly rebuild the Askariya Mosque, that was largely
destroyed in the terrible sabotage attack of late February  (why have
I not heard about that elsewhere?)…

— hearing Andrea Bartoli reflect with parallel anguish and honesty
on the pain of having seen Catholics kill Catholics in Rwanda, and on having
come to understand the role the Catholic hierarchy played at a certain time
in buttressing colonial rule and colonial attitudes in Mozambique; and also,
talking about the need for continued efforts to engage in debate and work
inside one’s own religious tradition…


— hearing Vicken Aykazian, an Armenian Bishop fresh back in DC after
a visit to Yerevan, talking about having participated for the first time in
the annual Armenain Genocide remembrance there on April 24– and how he saw
two million people, out of the country’s total population of 3.5
million, also coming to Yerevan to participate in it… hearing his description
of how he moved he was when recently he wandered by chance into the offices, at VOA, of their Kurdish-language
broadcasting team– and of how the director there, on learning who he was,
had invited him in, gathered colleagues in for a sit-down discussion,
and told Bishop Vicken there and then that he wanted to apologize to him “for what our Kurdish
people did to your people during the Armenian genocide of 1915″…

— hearing Bishop Vicken also speak passionately about the need for as many
people as possible to participate in the “Save Darfur” rally scheduled for
DC this Sunday…

— hearing Oded Wiener, the Director-general of the Grand Rabbinate
of Israel, talk about the dialogue process the Rabbinate has been involved
in for a number of years, with the Vatican, which has dealt with interpretations
of the Holocaust and many other strands of Catholic-Jewish relations… and
hearing him talk about the value of  pluralism and diversity and its
rootedness in traditional Jewish teachings; he also, importantly, noted the
link between a consumerist culture and people’s increased readiness to engage
in anti-humane violence in order to win or protect material gains; and he
urged the central need to educate people about the whole human family, not
just one’s own little portion of it…

— hearing Sunday Mbang, a Methodist minister from Nigeria talking
about the centrality of ideas of racial superiority to the gross violence
that western countries had inflicted on Africa during the slave trade and
the whole era of colonialism; and his pain that many of those who had engaged
in such practices had professed themselves to be “Christians” despite the
fact that they clearly transgressed against key teachings of the New testament…
 he also pointed to the terrible role that international arms suppliers
had played in greatly increasing the lethality of inter-group conflicts in
Africa; and talked with regret about the fact that a key Christian-Muslim
dialogue process that used to exist in Nigeria had stopped operating a few
years ago, but should certainly be revived to prevent the repetition of communal
violence such as that that erupted there earlier this year…

What an incredible gathering– and I haven’t told you about the half
of it here!  There were numerous other really wise contributors, including
Monica Anderson, a Swedish woman who works full-time in her country’s
Foreign Ministry on issues of genocide prevention– the only government official
anywhere in the world who has a mandate to do so.  She made an impassioned
plea (that I fully endorse) for the continued importance of engagement with
formal politics, pointing out that peace agreements could never be reached
and implemented, and decent, life-protecting institutions and structures
put in place, without the involvement of governments and their diplomats.

She also argued– fairly persuasively, in my view– that “the politicians” have actually been able to register some significant gains in genocide prevention in recent years, including putting into the charters of both the AU and the EU some important language about the “responsibility to protect” vilnerable populations.

Andrea, I should tell you, is the kind of friend a person really can’t say “No” to… He had
asked me beforehand to be ready with a few key interventions to help bring together
what he feared might be some very diffuse and disparate contributions.  (Actually,
they weren’t.)  At the beginning of the panel he asked me
to do something along these lines and I did a common Quaker “thing” and came up with a
few Queries I had on the upcoming topic. They included: “Is genocide actually different from other forms
of anti-humane atrocity, including from the viewpoint of the victim– and
if so, how?”  and “Is there a nexus between genocide and war, and if
so, what is it?”

During the discussion that followed, these two threads, and another Query
that I’d raised, about the need to really see each human being, regardless
of race, religion, or other characteristics, as equally a carrier of the
Divine Light, were all certainly addressed or referred to by numerous speakers.
  At the end of the panel, I had a very brief conversation with Monica
Anderson about the first Query that I’s raised, which I would really love
to follow up some more on.

At the end of the very long morning, Andrea once again threw the ball to
me.  I picked up on the important question of the value of dialogue,
which a number of speakers had strssed; on the important role that religions
should play in imparting hope and combating the tendencies to despair and
feelings of isolation and divisiveness in which genocidal ideologies can
too easily take root; and– perhaps more controversial this– the need to
refuse to dehumanize anyone, including those accused of participating
in genocide… but rather to stick to the traditional Christian teaching
of “hating the sin while loving the sinner”, and to continue to engage in
dialogue and efforts at rehabilitation even with people who have committed
the most terrible acts.

Of course, if I’d had two weeks to spend in a retreat with this group of
people– imagine how much more I could have learned from and with them!  I
was deeply struck by the passion with which Bishop Vicken spoke of the longing
that he and other Armenians have for some real acknowledgement of
the facts of the Armenian genocide– how moved he’d been by the acknowledgement
(and apology) he got from the Kurdish radio producers, and how he longed
for some equivalent acknowledgement from, most crucially of all, the Turkish
authorities.  

I certainly heard the view that both Vicken and Monica Anderson expressed
about the importance that they attach to the need to punish perpetrators
of genocide… H’mm.  I can certainly understand where that comes from;
but I’d love to probe it much more deeply with both of them, and have them
define more precisely such things as exactly which levels of perpetrators
they’d like to see punished, and what broad social goals they would see such
punishments as meeting.  (I’d also like to really share with them the
results of my own studies in Mozambique and South Africa, where the amnestying
of former perpetrators– including those at the highest level– had actually
helped to usher in an era of significantly greater rights protection
…  I guess I’ll wait till my book on that subject comes out this fall,
and then send them all copies… )

I heard what the Japanese participant, Tokio Kanakogi of the
Oomoto Foundation

said about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki having constituted an act
of genocide that should never be repeated; and the need to bring an end to
all war and the establishment of a world federalist government.  (I
agree with nearly all the goals he articulated, but I think the question
of whether the atomic bombs of 1945 were, technically speaking, “genocidal”is far less clear–
though of course they were exrtemely atrocious, and massively violated the
basic humanitarian-law principle regarding the need to discriminate clearly
between military and non-military targets.)

I also heard what Rev. Sunday was saying when he argued that he saw many
portions of the Hebrew Bible (the “Old Testament”) as being very permissive
or even encouraging of genocide, whereas he saw the message of the New Testament
as being much more universalistic and respecting of “others”.  I would
love to be a fly on a wall in a really good discussion of this issue between
him and Oded Wiener or another Jewish theologian.

… So okay, Andrea, now it’s back to you:  When are you going to organize
the one- or two-week-long retreat as a follow-up to yesterday’s discussion?

12 thoughts on “Religions and genocide prevention: the discussion”

  1. Jonathan,
    What has come from years of Davos conferences? Not much. What is involved, I submit, is people making high sounding remarks which, in turn, are forgotten, even by those making the remarks, within an hour of speaking.
    People who really want to do something about a problem, do something. They do not concentrate on feel good conferences unless the goal is to fund raise.
    Now, I do not claim that people ought never meet. However, those who want to do something about, say, Sudan, are marching or protesting or raising money. They are not sitting around, throwing BS at each other.

  2. “They are not sitting around, throwing BS at each other.”
    Yeah, I just hate people who do that.

  3. Sometimes I feel quite a strong sense of violation from comments that people put up here– violation of the blog, of the work I put into writing my posts here, and most importantly of my sense of the kind of knowledge-creating, continent-spanning discussions that I know we could have here if commenters would just pay heed to the simple request that they be courteous, to the point, etc.
    Now is such a moment. I did a lot of work on this post, trying to describe and reflect on what I thought was a really important discussion… and then you, Neal, come in with your snippy, demeaning, and very hostile-feeling comments.
    I invite commenters to ignore the “tone” that Neal has set here and to contribute their thoughts on the some of the topics in the main post. These matters are far too important to allow some unknown individual’s sense of unfocused hostility to dominate the discussion.

  4. Dear Helena,
    There are plenty of us out here who know that your material is of the top rank, and how long it takes to do such things and how much experience and skill goes into them.
    I would like to express a mea culpa for some of my comments in the past. My inclination when faced with the Neals of this world is to go for the throat and the jugular vein without any hesitation. In other words to give them an equal dose of their own medicine. Mostly they can’t stand it.
    Your rules make it more difficult to respond effectively in the face of rudeness and stupidity, but apart from my occasional lapses, I have generally tried to respect the rules. I can see that they are integral to your overall message. Also, even without one’s usual weapons, there is a lot that can be done.
    For example, in this case, I think that John C’s post just prior to yours is a brilliant little classic. If we follow JC’s example we can deal with the Neals and have a lot of fun at the same time.

  5. It seems that most of the speakers emphasized inter-religious dialogue as a means of building bridges between communities and increasing mutual understanding. This is very important (as the Rev. Mbang unintentionally illustrated by reading the OT text literally rather than in light of the interpretive gloss that is all-important to Jewish theology), but I’d have liked to see more discussion of Andrea Bartholi’s point about the need for internal self-examination.
    The unfortunate fact is that, in many conflicts, religious authorities have given their backing to extreme forms of nationalism and have had a negative impact on efforts to achieve a resolution. This is true in the Middle East, where many Jewish and Islamic authorities recognize a theological imperative to possess the entire territory, and is also true of the Balkans and Cote d’Ivoire. I’d like to see more discussion of how to work within religious communities to overcome these entrenched ideas and develop a theology of peace.

  6. for once, i agree with jonathan edelstein’s comments…
    and i’d also be interested in hearing more discussion of whether religion per se – which i understand to include a powerful sense of possession of The Truth – can be entirely separated from the dual imperatives to spread the knowledge of that Truth and to correct those who do not acknowledge it. which i understand as central to most genocidal political projects (this land is Truly ours and not yours; this war is Truly just; this way of organizing society is Truly correct; etc).

  7. Dear Friends:
    I must admit that I am a great fan of Helena’s work and I have been thinking about her suggestion to have a longer session, possibly one or two-weeks. My impression is that the seminar offered an opportunity to start a conversation that needed to happen. There are many things (some of them good) that are happening in the area of genocide prevention. The demonstration in Washington and elsewhere in the US, the work in Abuja, the appointment of the UN panel chaired by David Hamburg… yet the religious contribution seemed to be lost. But how can we not recognize that in a genocide in the most ‘Catholic’ of the African country, Rwanda, in the deeply Buddhist Cambodia, in the intensely Muslim Darfur pose questions of relevance and meaning that cannot be ignored?
    I am deeply appreciative of Helena’s comments and I find myself shy in participating in this blog form. After all I am an immigrant and do not feel comfortable writing in English without editing. However, the experience was so intense and the comments so compelling that I cannot avoid participating. At the moment I am actually intrigued by the possibility of launching a 30-day Pilgrimage of Peace in the United States from Niagara Falls to New Orleans next July-August 2007 that will involve students. My intuition is that we need to go a bit deeper and it takes time. Thank you again.

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