Today, I was able to have a fascinating short talk with Dr. Azzam Tamimi, a Palestinian-British thinker and media mogul who was the author, most recently, of Hamas: A history from within.
One of my continuing research interests is the story of how and why Hamas made the decision to enter the elections for the PA legislature in 2006 after they had refused to participate in the rounds of elections held under the PA’s framework prior to that… Does this mean that Hamas supports the PA project? … If so, why did its views on the project change? … How deep is its current loyalty to the project?
So this morning I put some of those questions to Tamimi.
His reply was:
- It’s not that they support the PA project. But they realized they needed to deal with the status quo. They needed space to operate in.
 
What allowed them to participate in the 2006 election was Sharon’s implementation of theunilateral withdrawal from Gaza. Until Sharon did that, the PA was completely a product of Oslo. But Sharon killed Oslo, and then the PA had an opportunity to become something a little different. The thinking of the Hamas people was, “We’ve liberated Gaza, and now we’re about to liberate the West Bank.”
Also, in one sense, Hamas had no choice but to participate, because if they hadn’t, the PA would have stayed in the hands of those very corrupt people who were controlling it.
He said there had been long discussions inside Hamas before they reached the 2005 decision to run in the elections. “There always are long discussions! It means that Hamas does sometimes miss opportunities… ”
He said that Hamas political bureau head Khaled Meshaal, whom he has known since both were youngsters in Kuwait together, is a strong supporter of Hamas’s consensual style of decisionmaking: “He’s a very careful person, not a gambler.”
Tamimi was pretty strongly convinced that nothing would come out of the Fateh-Hamas reconciliation talks that are intermittently being conducted in Cairo.  He said he thought the Egyptians were the main ones blocking agreement, describing the generally very polite contest of wills between Hamas and Egypt as  “a game of finger-biting.” (Maybe, this is like a game of chicken?)
“The Egyptians want to force Hamas to compromise, but Hamas will never compromise,” he said.
He judged there were two main  reasons for the Mubarak regime’s intransigence: firstly, their concern that bringing Hamas openly into the regional diplomatic/political game would strengthen the Egyptian Muslim Brothers; and second, because they see supporting Mahmoud Abbas as a project of great importance.  This, despite (or because of?) Abbas’s currently extreme political weakness.
We talked a  little about Mubarak’s boosting, and manipulation, since January of a new form of “Egypt first” (al-Misr Awalan) nationalism that is tinged with a strong streak of anti-Palestinianism.
Tamimi said that this sentiment, which he called “illusionary nationalism” had affected even some of the Egyptian Muslim Brothers to some degree.
I asked his view of– and expectations from– Obama.
He said he liked and admired him as a person:
- But he is not just a person, now. He’s the president, with all the compliactions that institution involves.
 
If he pursues the Clinton way once again, once again it won’t work out. That would be, if he continued to always put Israel’s interests first and just throw a little something to the Palestinians, but still strictly within the specifications laid down by israel.
Obama needs to recognize the strong shift in Palestinian society. Hamas now represents Palestinian society, not Fateh, and not the PLO.
Hamas wants peace– but a peace based on a truce, not on recognition.
I asked him whether he did not see a point of possible convergence between Hamas’s longstanding project of entering into a “truce” (hudna) arrangement with Israel and the “two-state” outcome now being pursued by the US and most of the international community.
He argued that he saw a clear difference, that centered around the recognition of Israel that would have to be involved, for the Palestinians, if they agreed to the two-state project as it is currently being proposed.
So for him, the question of recognizing Israel— or rather, refusing to recognize Israel– is key.
He said,
- The world needs to think about what the demand for us to recognize Israel really means. For me as a Palestinian, if I say I recognize Israel, then I’m saying that what happened to my people in 1948 was legitimate, and this I will never say.
 
We can proceed by having a de-facto relation between us. In that way, we could have a longterm peace, even without any recognition of Israel.
Hamas says it would need a total withdrawal to the lines of 4th June 1967 for that truce to go into effect. Israel might say they would need security guarantees. We’re open to discussing that. But honestly, the best security guarantee they could have would be Hamas’s signature on a truce document, because once they have that it becomes a religious obligation for all Palestinians to respect the truce.
I observed that this did still sound a lot like a version of the two-state solution.
He replied,
- No, I don’t like to speak about a two-state solution, because that implies it’s the end of the story. I talk about a de-facto two-state situation, which might last 10 years, or 5 years, or 20 years. But it is still not the end of the story.
 
He said he thought Pres. Obama had introduced some policy changes on some issues, like Iran.
- But on Palestine, Obama has just still been promising the same things that George W. Bush promised.
 
George Mitchell is a good person, too. But now he’s made how many trips to the region– ? And he still hasn’t met anyone from Hamas.
He has to meet them! He has to sit and listen to the way they see things. Wasn’t that how he won his success in Northern Ireland– by reaching out and including the IRA and Sinn Fein?
Anyway, it was an interesting conversation… More later, I hope.

