Somebody calling him/herself variously “Steve Bronfman”, “Edward Newhouse”, and even “A. Jew” has been engaging in pathetic sock-puppetry here, desperately trying to create the impression that there are a number of different commenters here who all share his/her point of view. Persistent commenter Titus/Titan/etc has also engaged in this form of legerdemain, but in a possibly more tongue-in-cheek way.
It is kind of notable that these people (1) take the comments discussions here so seriously that they are ready to invest some serious time in participating, but also (2) feel themselves so outnumbered in the forum of world public opinion that they cannot even enlist friends in their commenting campaign but have to resort to this childish sock-puppetry.
Still, their sock-puppetry is clearly a dishonest way to proceed that violates the most basic norms of civil discourse.
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Actually Helena I only used the other name when I found I couldn’t post on here. It is now obvious that rather than debate me you simply ban/censor me.
I’ve proven you wrong several times and you obviously can’t handle that. I will gladly debate you anytime when it comes to the middle east and Israel. I dare you to post this!
Actually, Helena I only used the other names when I found I couldn’t post on here. It is now obvious that rather than debate me you simply ban/censor me. If you read my previous posts I’ve said nothing rude or improper. My only crime appears to be proving you wrong again and again.
I’ve proven you wrong several times and you obviously can’t handle that. I will gladly debate you anytime when it comes to the middle east and Israel. I dare you to post this!
Helena’s liberal credentials have been shown to be false. She does not believe in free speech.
I’m going to post the reply to bevan on the previous post I was not allowed to post earlier (so I tried posting it under several nom de plumes as I’ sure most people would do) this was not designed to pretend I was several people but was merely designed to bypass Helena’s censorship of a pro-Israel opinion.
Readers can decide for themselves if I am guilty of any crime other than supporting Israel in the face of lies and falsehoods. Here is my reply previously not posted;
“Comment from… bevin, at October 5, 2009 12:30 AM:
wig-wag I cannot think of an army which has behaved worse, in a similar situation, than the IDF did in Gaza.”
Lets look at your the actual figures;
Gaza- 1,387 dead (773 civilians)
Sudan- 1,900,000 dead
Congo- 3,800,000 dead
Iran-Iraq war – 1,000,000 dead
Afganistan -1,800,000 dead
Cambodia 1,650,000 dead
Indonesia’s invastion of East Timor 100,000 dead
ok but lets compare “similar” wars shall we (eg short wars involving over asymmetrical warfare)?
Russias invasion of Chechnya- 25,000 civilians dead
Natos bombing of Serbia- upto 6,000 civilians dead
USA invasion of Iraq -7,269 civilian deaths
So you’ve been proved wrong on this count.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm or google each war
“Let us not bandy about assertions: the statistics in Gaza are clear enough. This was a massacre directed against a population which was, essentially, unarmed.
The casualty figures are quite clear.”
-According to B’Tselems official statistics about half the dead were civilians with 330 combatants and 248 Hamas police dead. 320 were “minors”.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5881C220090909
“And then there are the undeniable facts of the actual specific incidents to which Goldstone refers.
There is the fact that the operation began with an attack on a parade of graduating police cadets.”
-Hamas cadets! On USA terrorist list (as do Australia, Canada, Israel, Japan, Australia, UK, EU etc) .
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/rpt/fto/2801.htm
“Which, last, suggests to me collusion with Dahlan and the US.
The truth is that this operation in Gaza was almost unique: how many Israeli soldiers were killed in the ‘heat of battle’? Was it five?
Less than ten were killed by ‘enemy fire.'”
-Good! Are you wishing for more Israeli deaths?
“It was a turkey shoot. And about a thousand of the Palestinians killed appear to have been children, women and elderly non-combatants.”
Thats about 773 actually.
“Why? Because this was an operation aimed at killing the child bearing women and the young. It was not intended to target combatants. It had a demographic and a political rather than a military purpose.”
Actually “only” 111 women were killed less that 10% of the deathtoll. That actually shows the exact opposite of your contention. If Israel had deliberately targeted women than more than 50% of civilian deaths would have been women. It actually shows Israel was trying to avoid female/civilian deaths.
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009090949389
Unfortunately, Palestinians are actively targeting Israel Jewish women to murder for precisely the reasons you falsely prescribe to Israel in Gaza. Under 10% of Gazan dead are female, whereas about 30% of Israelis killed by terrorists (Hamas etc) are female.
http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000298.htm
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm
http://212.150.54.123/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=440
“What the apologists for this set piece of fascist aggression cannot deny is that if the IDF record bears scrutiny then you will allow it to be scrutinised. In fact you put every obstacle in the way of those attempting to get at the truth.
These are crimes, wig-wag, crimes involving the killing of hundreds of children: you should be apologising for what has been done. You should be working to make sure that nothing like it occurs again, ever. It is shameful to attempt to justify acts which no community can ever condone.”
-Did you ever protest Jewish civilians murdered by Hamas? Can you link me to your protests on pro-Arab websites denouncing Palestinians targeting of Israeli civilians please?
“It does Israel no favours to glory in the crimes committed in its name. It does America no good to voluntarily associate itself with acts so scandalous that the world cannot but abhor them.”
You have been proved wrong on every point. Please do some research before posting in future. The only thing you proved is your ignorance.
Right now I’m bypassing Helena’s attempts to censor me by using a proxy server but she will probably delete my posts.
Helena, its funny that you can spend your days criticising Israel but you can’t take criticism yourself (especially when it proves your ignorance).
Thanks Helena You’ve inspired me to start my own blog;
http://defendisrael.blog.com/
Hi Helena, this is good old Titus writing, and I have nothing to do with Bronfman or whoever. I always sign with my handle, except that you configured that name to be rejected after I postulated that you are a paid Arabsbarist like Jimmy Carter. I had to try a few different names to stay in touch with my loyal followers.
BTW, being outnumbered is no shame, specially when you blog has turned by and large into an anti-Israel blog, and the demographic realities of the world are that there are more anti-Isreal souls than pro Israel, either by religion, conviction, ignorance, bias, or manipulation. I’ll be happy to stand alone here speaking up against the smelly detritus you sling day in and day out, in fact if there were 100 other voices with me I would probably walk away as not needed.
Finally, the other side has also used multiple names, including Dom/Dominic, Alex from France, etc, but your blinders get in your way.
My Regards Helena, and I did find an old picture of yours out of curiosity. You do look smaller than I thought, and I am afraid you do look jewish.
Actually, Steve has an army of decent, fine people behind him. The thing is we don’t hang out in racist sewers like this.
You cannot argue rationally with racists. There can be no discourse with Jew haters and you are a Jew hater. Period.
I applaud Steve for trying. But its a waste of his good energy. There is no more benevolent army in the history of man than that of the Jews. No country has won each time it was attacked and given away precious Jewish land just for a little peace and quiet.
Shame on you lady.You ought to live in Gaza. Yes, that would be just.
Your website best exemplifies the hatred of the good for just being the good.
I am also one of your more or less regular readers who supports Israel against the tide of most of your commenters.
I read your articles and comments to try to learn and I post not because I think I will convince anyone but because debate is necessary.
BTW, I always post under the name David, but it seems there are several others who also post under that name. We do not all share a common opinion.
Don’t let this Bozo or Bozene get you down Helena. As you know I feel that you’re much too much of an apologist for Obama regime which was, is, and will be a Zionist tool.
It must be a measure of Zionist paranoia, which may well rise in direct relation to their self-loathing and guilt at the behavior of their government in Israel, that is evident here. I see no reason for them to be paranoid with their men in the White House and the US Cngress locked down. And you apologizing for them.
What is needed now is for the POTUS to order the US Mediterranean fleet to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza and to put ashore Seabees with resources and relief. What is needed is to do something at long last to combat terrorism in the Middle East rather than create more.
I’m quite sure the 800 Million Dollar Man will do nothing of the sort, so the shrillness of the Zionists must be in reaction to their own revulsion at what their county’s become.
And it certainly has not come in response to your perpetual excuse-making for the stooges in the White House and the Congress.
I suppose you have to accommodate these apologists for the Zionist ideology of mass theft and genocide, Helena, disgusting though they are, but I trust you won’t be deterred by them from continuing to draw attention to and condemn the crimes against humanity committed by the adherents of that ideology.
helena, yes, obviously people are taking your writings quite seriously, otherwise they would not be here. i always read your posts regardless of the drastic efforts to defend israel against indefensible actions here in the comment section.
imho, this is your blog and you have every right to ban posters who will not abide by common manners of posting under one name. i think this steve fellow is just obsessed w/your blog. now that he has his own blog he can spend whole posts arguing against you and anyone who wants to read his ptv can go there.
ban him. especially long spammy posts w/lots of links, including one’s from israel’s hasbara department @ the racist lieberman’s foreign affairs office.
i don’t know what else to say, posters like this ruined any chance for normal discussion here.
titus
specially when you blog has turned by and large into an anti-Israel blog.
it is hard to spin current events in such a way as to paint israels actions as positive, because they aren’t. if you want israel to look good try changing israel not attacking people who bring us truthful information and analysis. if you disagree with her analysis go somewhere else. poisoning the comment section won’t do any good. people are always going to read helena, justworldnews is simply one of the best sources on the internet for information about palestine/israel and the middle east. nothing you or anyone else writes in the comment section will change that and you know it.
So much hate-charged postings! It seems that everyone needs something or someone to hate, presumably to find validity within their own lives. So, what’s the real point in denying the attrocities commited by the state of Israel? To further arouse the hate and cultural misunderstanding already too prevalent in the Middle East? What a sick game. Instead, let’s have quality information and discussion that many can learn from and think about. Why should we increase waste matter by allowing hate spewers to dominate these discussions?
I don’t always agree with you, Helena,but when you get someone like Pam Geller coming by to give you some hate, it’s hard not to think you’re doing something right.
Helena –
Thank you for periodically allowing venting and raving by those who need it. Better on this post than on your others which so many of us look forward to for information and informed discussion. This site is very valuable to many of us and we appreciate your time and effort, not only in investigating and blogging, but also in keeping out the worst of the ranting so there can be reasonable discussion. I, for one, also appreciate the posts by those who have something worthwhile to contribute on either side. It is unfortunate that the subject raises so much rancor that it frequently obscures the discussion. But imho the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is the most important, interesting, emotional and intractable issue in the world today, and also potentially the most dangerous and explosive.
Annie, just re-read what you wrote:
“if you disagree with her analysis go somewhere else.”
is that what you meant? sounds pretty sovietic to me.
I understand you have a negative view of whatever Israel does, and I cannot change that. I just want to balance that by conveying to open minded readers that others have other views, and that to many of us Theodor Herzl was a Martin Luther King, Zionism a civil rights movement, and though not a painless journey, it would not be wise to undo it whether it involves Ahmadinejad’s concept of sailing back to Europe, or worse.
No it certainly wasn’t “painless” for the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed by your great civil rights journey, or the thousands left homeless refugees. Nope, not painless at all for them.
Tell me, how many people did MLK ethnically cleanse? How many Sabra & Shatilas happened under his watch? How many houses did his followers bulldoze, how many orchards did they raze, how many children did they slaughter?
Your comparison is a contemptible howler, and your invoking of MLK and the civil rights movement is laughable. What’s the matter, can’t find any real heroes from your own “civil rights movement?” LOL, no, I guess those baby killers Begin and Dayan don’t leave a lot of room for hero-worship.
My view is, like Annie, that this is Helena’s blog, and she can decide who to admit or not. She has no public responsability to balance points of view, though she does it.
I entirely support Helena in what she does.
The fact is that the mishmash of half-truths, the cherry-picked so-called ‘facts’, produced by Bronfmann, and many others before him, become tiring. No effort is ever made to confirm them; the people concerned have never looked at the discussions which have already taken place on this blog.
There’s an ever-rotating series of people of the pro-Israel crowd. I take it to be deliberate by the masters in Tel Aviv. When one has spewed the limited remarks he has to make, and been answered, they send another. And his repetition of the same points has to be answered again.
Whether these people are paid remains an open question. Persistence, even when they are no longer credible, suggests being paid, like Titus. If not, he would have given up. He has to finish his contract.
But it is certainly an organised claque, which is intended to besiege blogs which are not pro-Israeli. I’ve seen the same on ‘Syria Comment’.
It is worth saying that there are contributors here who are sympathetic to a Zionist viewpoint but who generally remain courteous, engage in genuine debate and are well informed – I am thinking of people like Eurosabra and JES and one or two others. I suppose it is no coincidence that they actually live in Israel, while the sour belligerent “pro-Israeli” ranters who occasionally infest this site live in the United States and have probably never even been to Israel.
One thing you should never do, Helena, is to allow yourself to be bowed by the filth spewed by these people.
It is an organised attack, there is no doubt.
We love you, Helena, and we want to continue to hear what you have to say.
Just ignore them. Don’t allow yourself to be irritated.
please give me an example of a post by me in which I was rude or ” unprofesssional,” your attacks on me are the same as on israel; you do not back up criticisms with facts.
As for quoting from Israeli sources (while I didn’t know that was banned here too) I also quoted from a s’audi paper but I notice no ones complaining about that. Interesting to call me obsessed for engaging in dialogue and debate but not posters like kassandra or shirin. Apparantly multiple posts are okay if it’s anti-Israel only.
Also, my posts are not spam they were objections to Helenas and readers comments with footnotes provided. If I didn’t provide proof you’d attack me for unsubstantiated facts. This whole thing smells of Helena ego.
Why doesn’t she respond to my questions instead of banning me. Precisely because I provide links to references. My opponants can only criticize the sources and not the facts you will notice. Helena, you are a sore loser!
Comment from… honi the circle drawer, at October 5, 2009 05:10 PM:
“It is worth saying that there are contributors here who are sympathetic to a Zionist viewpoint but who generally remain courteous, engage in genuine debate and are well informed – I am thinking of people like Eurosabra and JES and one or two others. I suppose it is no coincidence that they actually live in Israel, while the sour belligerent “pro-Israeli” ranters who occasionally infest this site live in the United States and have probably never even been to Israel”
-Again typical of anti-Israelis. Only Americans can be pro-Israel according to you. My opinion is a “rant” yours perfectly fine it seems.
1. I am not American
2. Even if I was that doesn’t have anything to do with facts.
3. By the same logic you should live in Israel too or not be allowed to post opinions in Israel.
Alexano writes;
“The fact is that the mishmash of half-truths, the cherry-picked so-called ‘facts’, produced by Bronfmann, and many others before him, become tiring. No effort is ever made to confirm them; the people concerned have never looked at the discussions which have already taken place on this blog.”
-Rather than attack me please debate my arguments.
-Reading every previous discussion really would be obsession thing you should never do, Helena, is to allow yourself to be bowed by the filth spewed by these people.
He also says,
“It is an organised attack, there is no doubt.”
-Yes, its a zionist conspiracy.
Helena, we loves you and support you, good on you to make these lairs Zionist propagandists naked
Palestinians are often Jews who were made to convert to Islam by the Turks Salah.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1249418656478&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
The closest relatives of Jews (besides Kurds) in DNA terms are the palestinians.
So if you’re a palestinian you probably are jewish or part jewish.
Palestinians are often Jews who were made to convert to Islam by the Turks Salah.
history of civilisation and humans immigrations tells you that the early humans when with Prophet Ibrahim (عليه السلام ) and his not Jews there was not any religions at that time when people in Babylon warship for moon, Sun and starts.
SO the humanism’s DNA are IRAQI? Isn’t that the source dude
“The closest relatives of Jews (besides Kurds) in DNA terms are the palestinians.
So if you’re a palestinian you probably are jewish or part jewish.”
That’s probably true. It would matter, maybe, to people with some weird notion that the location of your ancestors from 2000 years ago has some bearing on where you can or should live now. I said something like this (the Palestinians and the Jews might be the same people) to a Christian Zionist friend once, just to rattle his cage a bit.
So then, the Palestinians should have the right of return two times over then? Is that what you mean, Steve?
“There is no more benevolent army in the history of man than that of the Jews”– Pamela Geller
I’ve an anecdote to provide that’s related to such claims. As previously stated in a previous JWN post, many years ago while I attended high school in Tehran, many of my best friends were Jewish-Iranians. A few were actually Israeli-Iranian dual-citizens. I’ll never forget the day one of them casually related the story of his older brother’s exploits during the Six-Day War, where during fighting in the West Bank, this brother grabbed a teenage Palestinian girl, forced her into a house, raped her, then upon leaving threw inside a live hand grenade, to finish her off. The thing that struck me most about my friend’s story was how proud he was of this- he was actually bragging about it.
After all these years, I’ve never forgotten that story.
Yes, Pamela. A benevolent army indeed.
Donald,
1. I was responding to Salahs link on his comment so blame him not me.
2. Yes, as many Palestinians as want to should return to a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza (and Jordan 78% of British Mandate Palestine)
steve bronfman, hang this in your ear as an earing:
The only point to be made is Palestinians are not a people who took possession of the land by force; they were ‘always’ there .
And this is what your likes have a problem with.
The Crusaders came to Palestine, and were in due course driven out, if the Jewish people have true interest in the land, they should act accordingly or face the faith of the European Crusaders .
Wow,
I look at that long list of numbers killed, by both sides, all over… why defend killing? We should all speak out agianst it everywhere. Pitty, the life lost agian as a statistic!
I was responding to Salahs link on his comment so blame him not me
Very stupid answer, go read the artical on a book written not any one, the athure he is Tel Aviv University scholar Shlomo Zand (or Sand) A JEWS and may be Zionist, but his weakup from the myth and fake climes twisting factual history of land and nation moreoever civilizations.
But this hows common Zionist propagandists style when run off their myth their laying tongue uncover.
Hey Helena long time reader, first time commenter here.
Just wanted to say keep up the good work and don’t let the trolls get you down. It is sad that some people (mainly Americans it seems) still believe in parroting the crap peddled by Israel’s pariah state.
Also see from you’re links section that you don’t have friday lunch clubs site included. IMO it is one of the best sites out there.
Helena, you run a great blog which is an invaluable source of commentary and analysis of the Middle East. As an academic I find it stimulating and always refreshing, and know a good number of my colleagues who feel the same. Please keep up the fine work and keep acting as a vital corrective to extremists and apologists.
“Again typical of anti-Israelis.”
Actually I have lived in Israel, and continue to have many friends there. I doubt if you could say the same.
“Only Americans can be pro-Israel according to you.”
I correctly intuited that you weren’t Israeli and actually seemed to know very little about the country (only somebody who had never been to Jerusalem would say that Jews are barred from entering Haram ash-Sharif, for example). I erred in inferring that you were American. What is it then? Canadian? Australian? South African? All of them produce their fair share of ignorant ranters, it must be said.
“My opinion is a “rant” yours perfectly fine it seems”.
The point of my post was that there are people here who are capable of expressing viewpoints I disagree with which are not rants, and I gave you examples of a couple of such posters – perhaps you could learn from them.
“By the same logic you should live in Israel too or not be allowed to post opinions in Israel”
What logic? I am not a Zionist, although as I say I have actually lived in Israel. You are on the other hand are such a committed Zionist that you cut and paste what you believe to be pro-Israeli arguments every hour god sends, you have set up a website called “defend Israel” and yet you haven’t made aliyah! What is your problem?
Honi, I have been to Jerusalem. It seems every post you make another flawed assumption. My central point remains. Please debate my arguments rather than resorting to making personal assumptions or insults.
Jews are banned from preying on the Temple Mount by the Islamic waqf. I provided links as evidence for this in a previous post (for which I was banned). If this is incorrect then prove it.
Pirouz, “I’ve an anecdote to provide that’s related to such claims. As previously stated in a previous JWN post, many years ago while I attended high school in Tehran, many of my best friends were Jewish-Iranians. A few were actually Israeli-Iranian dual-citizens. I’ll never forget the day one of them casually related the story of his older brother’s exploits during the Six-Day War, where during fighting in the West Bank, this brother grabbed a teenage Palestinian girl, forced her into a house, raped her, then upon leaving threw inside a live hand grenade, to finish her off. The thing that struck me most about my friend’s story was how proud he was of this- he was actually bragging about it.”
Israelis can never win. The incidents of rape by Israelis is so low (compared to other warzones) that a leftwing Israeli wrote a thesis stating its because Jews are “racist” (even though Jews and Arabs are of course the same ‘race’) they don’t rape palestians.
http://hedgehogcentral.blogspot.com/2008/01/university-thesis-israeli-soldiers-dont.html
I think that your post is exactly what you say it is, “a story,” if not its a isolated incident.
“Jews are banned from preying on the Temple Mount…”
Occasionally even steve bronfman makes a valid point, even if only accidentally.
The fact that Palestinians are genetically indistinguishable from Israeli Jews is most fortunate: despite years of effort, the Zionists have been unable to develop a plague that will kill only Palestinians. This drives them wild with rage and frustration, but there it is: any plague that would kill the Arabushim would also kill them.
I guess Helena you will be judged by the company you keep. Just read this thread and list the following of nutheads, conspiracy theories, irrational hatemongers, and of course followers of the peace lover religion. It would scare me.
Helena has the right to filter the audience and end up with a blog that resembles an elementary school class where the pupils say, oh teach us you anointed one, or resembling an Iranian mullah leading a sermon. This blog ending resembling an islamic venue would be very fitting, no dissent, irrayonal hatred, mixing religion and politics, and eventually leading to suicidal action.
Lupus in fabula, I just heard an NPR piece on the Saudi prince almost blown up by an Al Qaeda crypto repentant with a bomb hidden in his rectum. Security agencies are not sure airport metal detectors are good for that, so now our peace loving religion will bring us rectal examinations before boarding any flight.
God must great for the world to put up with these fellas so patiently.
To all these who condemn suicide bombers – remember the Old Testament story of Samson who killed himself to kill his enemies.
over the human history there is the same thread of self annihilation in order to kill the enemy, so do not play indignant homo sapiens and play up Jewish intellectual supremacy in order to diminish Others for their lack of “appropriate” weaponry…
“Jews are banned from preying (sic) on the Temple Mount…”
No, but they make up for it by preying on Palestinians everywhere else.
Wow, bronfman the preying Jew is now an expert on rape in “warzones”! Do tell us more.
irrational hatemongers…This blog ending resembling an islamic venue would be very fitting, no dissent, irrayonal hatred, mixing religion and politics, and eventually leading to suicidal action.
obliviously above show what nut personally he is?
if this blog elementary school class no one ivited you here you can chose your space to fit your IQ dude,
don’t forgot put this blog in black list as your ilk JES.
Al Qaeda? home grown and guided with CIA
This from High School not Elementary Level
It is the price of your success Helena.
The criticism you get from steve bronfman is the price of success counted to your distinguished blog. You are on the right truck, keep struggeling for the just world that you pointed as your goal.
Hafid
صلاح وأنا أعلم أنك اعتقد انه امر مفجع أن أن مئات الآلاف من الصهاينة موجود في الولايات المتحدة. وإنما هو حقيقة واقعة عليك أن تقبل. لحسن الحظ كنت عراقيا وليس لها أي ادعاء بشأن أي جزء من فلسطين.
أنت تهدر وقتك
صــدق الله العظيــم
So despite my many challenges to prove my arguments wrong the best collective effort you can make is based upon a typo. Or to congradulate yourselves with self importance because one blokes standing up to you.
By the way the quote containing the typo (preying for praying) is about Jews not israelis, which shows how low you guys will go.
You people have the debating skills of schoolkids.
Do not strain yourself.
I do not condemn suicide bombers, I do not care about the morality of my enemy, I just want to protect myself from my enemy and generally a 10c bullet is more effective than the handwaving of and the winning of hearts and minds of the anointed one. Just like the Britons did on London with the Brazilian electrician, no trial for that fellow, no Goldstone report.
The parallel with Samson ain’t there because all evidence is that Palestinian suicide bombers have killed themselves even if they didn’t have to, and have killed themselves after failing to identify a target, which proves a sick brainwashing of these pour souls into a culture of DEATH. Martyrdom is the goal, and that is patently clear unless you grew up in an isolated basement or your IQ is single digits.
So, Steve, you’ve visited Jerusalem. I’ll bet you have. You weren’t filmed by camcorder boozed up and spouting racist filth while you were there, by any chance? But I presume you didn’t visit Haram ash-Sharif while you were there, since you told us that Jews were barred from entering it (not praying on it) by the Waqf? You weren’t even aware that the Waqf doesn’t control entry to the site, that the Israeli occupation authorities do? Incidentally, I think you will find that religious authorities normally take a dim view of other cults organising prayer services on their sacred sites, something you should bear in mind in case you are thinking of getting a minyan together next time you are in the Sistine Chapel or the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City.
Honk, you didn’t bet I’d been to Jerusalem in your previous post.
Again you ruin perfectly good debates with silly attacks on my character. Accusing me of being racist is the cheapest shot in the book. I presented evidence of my belief that’s Jews and Palestinians are the same “race” in a previous post so your just being childish.
Again, the question remains; prove me wrong that the Islamic waqf bans Jews from praying on the temple mount. Simple, don’t complicate it, died the waqf ban Jewish prayers on the temple mount or not? Simple question, yes or no will do.
There are other examples of holy sites sacred to both jews and Muslims at which both religions pray (josephs tomb etc) precisely because they aren’t controlled by the waqf.
Honi* did* iPhone typos!
Look how many times do I have to drill this home to you, it is not the Waqf that controls access to the Haram ash-Sharif, it is the Israeli state and the Israeli police, and they are responsible for the ban on Jewish prayer ceremonies – are you not familiar with the petitions by various zealot groups to the Israeli Supreme Court in relation to rescinding this? And let me remind you again that your initial claim was that Jews were barred from entering the compound, not praying there. I really think perhaps another week’s factfinding holiday in Jerusalem might be advisable if you are going to make this new “defendIsrael” blogsite of yours a going concern.
Speaking of socks, a 70 year old professor from the Weizmann institute is sharing the Nobel prize in chemistry for work that lead to modeling and development of antibiotics. Her name is Ada Yonath.
Shirin and her ilk are planning to extend their boycott and stop using antibiotics, while they prepare a submission for next year to get the Arab world in the Nobel scene. Their angle is to tap Alfred Nobel’s original passion, gun powder.
The suicide belt would be nominated in the name of Abu something, and a shared Saudi-Yemenite team is in the run for their pioneering work on the rectal bomb with a cell phone trigger. To promote the invention is the Verizon TV person with his line adapted to “can you explode me now”?
The shoe bomb was considered, but Professor Richard Reid may not be able to make it to the ceremony, and the public would attend barefoot just in case. Some rumors indicate that the Iranian nuclear effort are no indeed towards bomb making, but rather to fool the West by developing a radioactive sock. Literally a dirty bomb.
You forgot the “nuclear shoe” that almost brushed Bush’s face .By the way where is your comatosed king of the jungle ? any news?
“You forgot the “nuclear shoe” that almost brushed Bush’s face .By the way where is your comatosed king of the jungle ? any news?”
Good point world peace. I read some speculation that a flying shoe is in the cards for Abu Mazen for the report fiasco. There were some flying shoes in Turkey I recall, and who knows maybe some day our own Helena will earn an islamic flying shoe at one of her venues.
Turns out that Afghanistan and Iran show that democracy and free expression is not making much progress in moslem lands, but al least they have found their own rudimentary form of expression. Literally, Arabs voting with their feet…
I just want to protect myself from my enemy and generally a 10c bullet is more effective
I thought Titus was an American, but evidently he has an allegiance to an alien land. It would be better if the US looked after its own interests, and stopped calling others’ enemies its own.
So, the Samson analogy ‘aint’there” because Samson was a smart suicider and a Jew, while the palestinian kids are stupid because they miss their targets… hahaha