The candidate was reported as saying in Florida today:
- “[T]here is no doubt that Iran poses an extraordinary threat to Israel and Israel is always justified in making decisions that will provide for its security.”
Looks to me like ways too blank of a check.
No qualifications there, Senator? How about this: “Like any country, Israel is justified in making any legitimate decisions that will provide for its security.”
Words matter. Especially when they’re inscribed on blank checks.
- Update Sunday a.m.:
Please note that in my critique above I haven’t even touched on the factual basis behind Obama’s assertion that “[T]here is no doubt that Iran poses an extraordinary threat to Israel.” I wanted to focus on the operational part of the sentence. But the operational part is evidently logically linked to the antecedent assertion, even though not strictly entailed by it.
Regarding the factual assertion, it is quite simply incorrect. I am just one of many hundreds or even thousands of analysts of regional strategic affairs who judges that there is considerable doubt that Iran poses any “extraordinary” threat to Israel, let alone any threat of a gravity that would justify Israel starting a regional war to “prevent” or “pre-empt” it. Indeed, several strategic analysts in Israel itself, including former intel chief Efraim Halevy, judge that Israel could even live with a nuclear-armed Iran (though there is no evidence yet that that that is what the mullahs are actually aiming for.)
Also extremely relevant here– though never mentioned by Obama or other leading members of the US political elite– is, as always, Israel’s own current possession of extremely robust nuclear weapons, whether fully assembled or just one step away from being so. Those give it, of course, considerable deterrent capability.
Is Obama just pandering, or is he really ignorant enough to actually believe that Iran is a threat to Israel or to anyone else?
Either way, I cannot vote for him, I just can’t. I’m going for a third party candidate this time around.
First, the Jerusalem statement, now a “whatever” pass re Israel’s actions toward Iran, his switch on public financing, and this week his support of the FISA “compromise.”
I live where my vote won’t matter but at least I’ll not have a vote for this man on my conscience. Ever.
First, the Jerusalem statement, now a “whatever” pass re Israel’s actions toward Iran, his switch on public financing, and this week his support of the FISA “compromise.”
I live where my vote won’t matter but at least I’ll not have a vote for this man on my conscience. Ever.
Unless Obama is lying (as Presidential candidates often do) there will be little change in US Middle Eatern policy under his watch. Ron Paul was the only candidate to oppose US and Israel warmongering in no uncertain terms.
At some point the American people will grow weary of the huge price in blood and treasure they are paying as a result of Zionist control of US foreign policy. Blood might flow in the streets when that day arrives.
Its academic until congress turns off the money and arms, and turns on the sanctions
“Ron Paul was the only candidate to oppose US and Israel warmongering in no uncertain terms.”
Not so. Dennis Kucinich has always categorically opposed US and Israeli warmongering, and did so during his campaign.
Obama gave up public financing because of all the money he thinks he can raise based on what he has been able to raise so far from progressives online. Now in morphing into a standard pro-zionist, pro “security uber alles” candidate (and backing away from the anti- NAFTA position, etc.) (Clinton-lite)he is beginning to turn off those people. I, for one, am very disappointed in what he is becoming and will be withholding any further support until we see which way he is really going. I don’t think he will keep his legions of volunteers and small fundraisers this way. Too bad.
Crimson, I am of the opinion that Obama is speaking not for the Zionists but for the Foreign Policy cartel which dominates his National security team. For these people, and the interests they represent, peace in the middle east would be disastrous, leading to a melding of Israel’s colonial society with the Arab world.
This would lead not only to the disappearance of Israel as a hardened base for US interests, but to the softening of the tyrannical regimes in Jordan and Egypt which rely upon the US/Israeli nexus, and the stream of subsidy which it brings.
From the Israeli point of view nothing would be more fruitful than to be at peace with its neighbours and to enjoy the economic and cultural benefits of a resurgent Levant.
Obama’s supporters fear the loss of control over Israel and the ending of the convenience of relating to much of the Jewish-American population through the single issue of “security.”
The Israel issue has contributed mightily to the rightward shift in American politics (something similar has occured in Canada home of David Frum et al) removing an historically important leaven from both the working class movement and the left in general. Without “Israeli security” as a unifying ritual in politics the entire project of oil imperialism would be open to serious debate.
Perhaps I am wrong but, much as I am tempted by the idea of the dog being wagged by its tail, I find it increasingly difficult to credit the ideas that:
1/ The US neo-cons (whose ties to the CIA are as old as the State of Israel and a lot older than the “alliance”) give a tinker’s cuss for the fate of the average schmuck in Tel Aviv.
or
2/ That the Israeli right is not a conscious partner of the Imperialists; machine politicians delivering a package of strategic, financial and “ethnic” advantages to the elite which rules America.
Whether the primary cause was the Israel lobby or a desire to control oil supplies, or both the crimes the US has committed and allowed to be committed in Iraq would make Hitler envious. A once proud nation has been virtually destroyed and many if its people reduced to the status of beggars and prostitutes.
Iraqi Refugees, America’s Shame
Iraq | War
by Medea Benjamin | June 21, 2008 – 12:44pm
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Sister Marie-Claude Naddaf is obviously tired of talking to the stream of well-meaning foreigners who have been traipsing through Syria to learn about the plight of the over one million Iraqi refugees now living here. Humanitarian groups, religious delegations, migration experts. They write reports full of lofty recommendations. So much talk, so little action.
A Syrian nun at the Good Shephard Convent in Damascus, Sister Marie-Claude had work to do attending to the crisis of the day — an Iraqi girl who had been raped in Baghdad, then dumped on the Syrian border and disowned by her family. Reluctantly, she agreed to give me 10 minutes of her time. An hour later, she was still talking about the horrors she has seen. “It’s shameful, shameful,” she cried, her head in her hands. “What has happened to the Iraqi people is shameful. Girls sold into prostitution, single mothers begging for handouts, men with no jobs, no future, no hope. And the people of the United States, whose government unleashed this disaster of epic proportions, don’t seem to know or care.”
The invasion and the ensuing spiral of violence has led to the most massive displacement in the Middle East since the creation of the state Israel in 1948. Some 1.2 million Iraqis fled to Syria before the Syrian government, its schools and hospitals overwhelmed and local people reeling from soaring rents and food prices, closed its doors in October 2007. The Jordanian government allowed some 500,000 Iraqis to enter the country but has also closed its borders.
Some refugees are wealthy Iraqis who worked with Saddam’s government and cashed out when he was overthrown. They reside in the wealthy sections of Amman, living off their savings. But the vast majority of refugees are middle class and poor Iraqis who fled the post-invasion meltdown. Most are not just fleeing the generalized violence, but experienced personal tragedies at the hands of U.S. soldiers, Iraqi soldiers, sectarian militias, Al-Qaeda fanatics or criminal gangs that thrive on social disintegration.
Layla Atiya is a 50-year-old woman from Baghdad whom I met outside the UN food distribution center in Damascus. She was a Shia who married a Sunni, something very common pre-invasion. They had a large family — eight children — but Layla’s husband worked hard as a mechanic and managed to provide a decent life for his family.
In March 2005, he was kidnapped by Shia militias trying to rid the neighborhood of Sunnis. Ten days later, his body was found dumped in a ditch, riddled with drill holes from torture.
Layla’s face twisted in pain as she recounted receiving his mangled body. “We should have fled right away,” she said, “but I was in shock and didn’t’ know what to do, where to go.” A week later, masked men came and took away her oldest son. Hysterical, she packed up the seven remaining children — ages 2-16 — and fled to Syria.
Layla receives $120 a month from the UN, but it doesn’t even cover her rent. Education is important to her — “We always dreamed of our children going to college,” she told me — but she pulled her children out of school to clean houses and do other menial tasks. Iraqis are not legally allowed to work in Jordan or Syria, so many parents send their children to work at low-paid jobs under the table. “What can I do?,” she asked me. “I can barely feed my children, much less provide them with a decent future. What will become of us?”
Severely traumatized and terrified, most refugees can’t even contemplate going back to Iraq. But they can’t stay in Jordan or Syria either, for they are not allowed to work and have depleted their savings. Bassam Rahem, for example, owned a small car repair shop in Baghdad. A Christian, he was kidnapped by Shia militia and his wife was forced to pay $25,000 for his release. “We came here with our two children and what was left of our life savings-$10,000. Between rent, food, transport and school for our boys, we have nothing left. We have been applying for resettlement in another country — Australia, Canada, the United States, Sweden. But it has been two years now, and we don’t even get replies.”
Most refugees want to resettle in a third country where they will be allowed to work and have a chance to rebuild their lives. Sweden, a country that was against the occupation from the beginning, has been the most generous, taking in more Iraqis than the rest of Europe and the United States combined. The U.S., on the other hand, has been pitiful. “While the UN refugee agency has worked to identify tens of thousands of vulnerable Iraqis for resettlement, the U.S. has been slow to bring these Iraqis to refuge, and has failed to meet even its own modest goals,” said Amelia Templeton, refugee advocate at Human Rights First. The U.S. target for 2008 is 12,000 Iraqis. Even if the goal is met, which is unlikely, it represents a tiny fraction of the millions in need.
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Some of the neediest women have turned to prostitution, or worse yet, have sold their daughters into prostitution. The Damascus night club Al Rawabi, with a cover charge of $35 and bottles of liquor going for $100, was packed when I visited on a Friday night. Young Iraqi girls danced suggestively on the stage, the men — mostly Iraqi — eyeing which ones they would like to have sex with. The atmosphere of forced merrymaking — dancing, drinking, smoking hookas — failed to camouflage the collective stupor.
At 4 am, the Iraqi singer they had all been waiting for got on stage. He sang of love and loss, not for a woman but for a country. “What happened to the country we love? What happened to us, a people without a home?,” he wailed. For a moment, the whole room was united — prostitutes and their johns, Muslims and Christians, old and young. They waved their hands in the air, their eyes teary. “What has happened to us, a people without a home?,” they repeated.
***
Many Iraqis think the United States has been carefully carrying out a diabolical scheme to obliterate their culture, their people, their sense of nationhood. “The U.S. wanted to turn a strong, proud Muslim country into a weak, divided, pitiful territory that could be easil dominated and controlled,” said Faisal Al-Alawi, an Iraqi PhD in history who lives in Syria but refuses to call himself a refugee. “Thanks to the Americans, our modern, secular society has now disintegrated into tribalism, sectarianism, barbarism and fundamentalism, with Sunnis pitted against Shia, Christians against Muslims, Muslims against Muslims. Iraq is no longer even a nation-state.”
Intentionally or not, the U.S. government has brought Iraq to its knees. The best and brightest are gone, and even if the violence quells, most will not return. The education and health care systems that were once the jewels of the Middle East are now in tatters, with most of the academics and doctors murdered or in exile. This fiercely proud people who gave the world its earliest civilizations have be reduced to beggars, waiting on food lines for handouts or selling their bodies to feed their children.
As I was leaving the UN food distribution center in Damascus, Layla Atiya, the widow with seven children, touched my arm. “Can you tell me one thing?,” she pleaded. “Why did America do this to us? What did we do to America to make her hate us so?”
“From the Israeli point of view nothing would be more fruitful than to be at peace with its neighbours and to enjoy the economic and cultural benefits of a resurgent Levant.”
Nothing in Israel’s conduct appears to bear that out. On the contrary, from the Israeli point of view it would appear that perpetual conflict is more fruitful.
Let’s see, if Israel is always justified in making decisions that will provide for its security, never mind the security of others, then that makes Israel kind of special, doesn’t it.
Will the US, under a President Obama, also be so justified? Let’s subjugate the world with Obama’s newly expanded Army and Marine Corps and we’ll be more secure! Or maybe not.
This is what we get when we abandon the democratic Constitutional system and put inordinate faith in a new Decider — disappointment in what he decides. What is needed is a Senator Wayne Morse to stand up and say “no more war” but it looks like total national obeisance to AIPAC at the moment.
Obama has given the green light to Armageddon.
Yes Obama is pandering, not to get the Jewish vote but so that it doesn’t turn against him, spreading lies to gullible racist and anti-Muslim Middle America Bible-babble types. These are the millions of what the neocons call in private gatherings “dumb goyim” that they can herd and stamped politically at will. They play the black issue, they play the “Muslim” issue that goes with Obama’s middle name “Hussein,” even though they defacto acknowledged that he’s a Christian by milking the Rev. Wright issue. But not to worry, these are, afterall, just dumb goyim that can be milked– as in bringking psycho Rev. Hagee to Jerusalem as an honored guest.
All this proves once and for all time that the neocons are anti-Semites– they hate their Arab relatives and will do anything from political dirty tricks to carpet bombing with illigal cluster bombs to eliminate them (and now the Persians too)…But they, the neocons, are dumb ones because they stampede in their hate campaign thinking it makes them “mensch” like an orgasmic explosion, never knowing when they went too far; they think that the goyim will never wisen up, based on what Lenin and Trotsky and Stalin taught them about “useful idiots.”
Israel is not a contradiction it is a financial lie, a lie which some Zionists who live and bank in the USA, where they feel safe, want to use to make themselves rich on misrouted US aid to Israel…note the facts of the PM Olmert case– and he still threatend to go to war with Iran! On the one hand, the Zionist web-page “Cool things about Israel” is showing off how rich Israel got on high tech and arms, on the other Olmert comes begging Bush for an extra $10 billion because it is so poor.
TWICE in this month, Israel intimated action against Iran–>US oil prices skyrocketed and stocks on Wall Street took a tumble….and we will give Israel the $10 billion it asks for.
Obama has to pay the price because these Zionist cowboys can stampede the cattle at the Denver Democratic Convention.
I don’t think the people running Israel’s government are as concerned with being secure as they are with other things. I think security is a cover for the real agendas.
Ditto for the United States’ government, especially this one.
Curious that Chuck Hagel (R-Neb) has surfaced as a running mate possibility for Obama….. typical Chuck, he said “he’d have to consider it” — IF the honor were so offered.
Nothing would get the neocons & Israeli lobby more furious…. In some ways, Hagel is Jim Webb (D-VA) light — but without the “novel” baggage of his friend. (I’ve been astonished at how blunt Hagel has been past few weeks in trashing McCain…. esp. re. the garbage re. Iran)
US airforce reported to have killed as many as 300,000 Iraqis — mostly civlians — since 2003. That is 100 times the number of Americans killed on 9/11 and more than the number of victims at Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined
http://www.juancole.com/
Gee Teodoru, do ya think that Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, et. al. also talk about the “dumb goyim”.
BTW, I seem to have missed the part about Olmert begging for $10 billion. Think you could fill us in?
Look, you may personally be a “dumb goy”. I don’t know. But, then again, I’m a cunning kike.
JES: On the main topic of this thread, do you feel that an attack on Iran is in the offing or do you agree with Yossi Melman that it isn’t?
I don’t think that any attack on Iran is in the offing. I also love the way people here tend to have fits of hysteria about a military exercise that Israel reportedly had, while I don’t recall a peep about any of the extensive exercises Iran had a while back.
I think that the military and political leaders of Israel are far more attuned to the implications of such an action than most of the bashers here want to admit.
Thanks for the update, Helena.
I would have put it a bit more strongly by pointing out that there is no evidence to date that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, or that it intends to (do you have different information about that than I do? If not, should you not be pointing that out strongly?). Even the assertion in the recent NIE that Iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program in 2003 is highly questionable since there is no evidence as far as I know that Iran has ever had a nuclear weapons program.
I believe the whole business about Iran developing nuclear weapons is of the same nature and has the same purpose as all the propaganda about Saddam’s imaginary WMD’s and his equally imaginary Al Qa`eda connection. And if anything it is even more dangerous.
“I don’t recall a peep about any of the extensive exercises Iran had a while back”
C’mon, JES, by your own description you are a “cunning kike,” so you should be able to figure out why not.
Could it have something to do with the way ISrael and the neocons produced a war in IRaq which turned to the advantage of IRan? Then when fingers pointed in their direction, ISrael and the neo-cons lamely protested that they “had nothing to do with the real decision to go to war in IRaq” because they preferred to “go fight IRan first, and actually advised the Bush/Cheney cabal to save Iraq for sloppy seconds.”
JES, it truly warms the cockles of every “dumb goyim’s” heart that the ISraelis and neocons wanted to save Iraq for the destruction process until after IRan had been sent back to a pre-inudustrial stage. Gotta hand it to the folks running the Jewish state. You are a profoundly virtuous and humanitarian lot!
JES-
Thanks for providing a representative voice for all us bigots in Israel.
Kisses and hugs,
Arik
SD, your evidence, please, for Israel “producing” the Iraq war?
Yes, I know it’s an article of faith, and faith denies the need for proof, but indulge us skeptics this once, OK?
You tell ’em Azazel: they will never find adequate proof of ISraeli and neocon involvement in the IRaq war, despite the monumental evidence staring them in the face. There is never enough proof for this sort of thing. Despite the Zapruder film, a majority of Americans still believe the magic “single bullet” theory.
Hell, I abandoned my business in the New York area and fled to ISrael after 9/11 for no real reason. So what if my ISraeli/Mossad employees were arrested the day of 9/11 celebrating across the Hudson River in New Jersey jumping up ‘n down with cigarette lighters over their heads as if they were a bunch of giddy school girls at a Hannah Montana concert?
I mean who cares that the Mossad was elated on 9/11 because the second Palestinian intifada could then be snuffed out without a peep from western governments. Moreover, these western governments would line up to fight a string of wars and do Israel’s bidding, transforming the entire region by undermining the position of every rival state to ISrael.
So what if Paul Wolfowitz, Larry Silverstein, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Robert Kagan, Elliot Abrams, Stephen Solarz, Philip Zelikow, Douglas Feith, Norman Podhoretz, William Bennett, Aaron Friedberg, Stephen Rosen, Steve Forbes, Kenneth Adelman, Robert Zoellick, Frank Gaffney, Leon Wieseltier, Daniel Pipes et al, were the key managers behind the scenes once Bush/Cheney and Rumsfeld moved into the White House and Pentagon?
These things don’t matter. So what if every one of these American citizens is directly tied to the top leadership in Sharon/Netanyahu Likud politics in Israel? JES is right: the “dumb Goyim” do not pay attention to these issues. They are afraid. Why do you think Colin Powell’s wife was afraid for him to run for the presidency? Who cares?
Why is Barack Obama scared out of his wits to appear the slightest bit critical of Israel? No one notices these things.
Hell, my Mossad boys could have planted explosives in the WTC towers and imploded the buildings with everyone in the FBI watching on 9/11, and no one would blink an eye. Americans would still send up presidential candidates who promise to be the “greatest friend of Israel.”
Dominic, I might refer you to JES’ comments about your boys toward the end of this thread. Now that you’ve surfaced, you might find them enlightening.
Azazel-
JES’s comments are always a huge waste of everyone’s time. Sorry I am busy helping Mossad plan its role in the attack on Iran.
Well, there goes the neighborhood, now that “SD” and his stupid aliases are here.
BTW, “Sd”: You are a “dumb goy”. You, Theodoru, Sharon, Dominick Suter and Docminic are, collectively, “dumb goyim”. Get it now? (And no charge for the Yiddish lesson.)
JES-
My Hebrew brother, what did I say to offend you?
All I said was I am glad we have you speaking our bigotry here on JWN.
You are my trolling Hasbara hero bigot!
Keep up the good work!!
Kisses and hugs,
Arik (alias “The big vegetable”) Sharon
It looks like war, if these bills become law.
Sponsor: Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] (introduced 5/22/2008) Cosponsors (169)
Related Bills: S.RES.580
Latest Major Action: 5/22/2008 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
H. Con. Res 362 and S.Res.580 are identical bills (designed for expeditious passage) which have as their goal “preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability, through all appropriate economic, political, and diplomatic means, is vital to the national security interests of the United States and must be dealt with urgently….” The bills introduction coincided with the AIPAC conference. The bill’s “action clause” would put us at war with Iran by immediately imposing a blockade:
“demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran’s nuclear program;”
H/T to M.J. Rosenberg
Azazel,
It’s not worth engaging “Sd”. With his many aliases, he is attempting to assume the role of your namesake in “Master i Margarita”. Unfortunately, he simply isn’t up to it intellectually. Best to ignore him.
Considered the father of the “Modern Art” form and widely admired in high society of the late 18th and early 19th centuries, I proudly stand with SD and other intellectual inferiors. I want to affirm SD’s admirable contribution to the human race, no matter what JES, Arik Sharon, and other ethno-centric bigots have to say.
Azazel,
Thanks for reminding me of that thread and posting the link.
It’s off topic, but I think important to point out that Helena’s previous assertion that Hamas has not explicitly targeted civilians was proven false a little over two weeks ago when Hamas fired mortar rounds at Kibbutz Nir Oz, killing kibbutznik Amnon Rozenberg and wounding several others.
Here’s the point:
Hamas not only admitted that they had fired the mortars at the kibbutz paint factory, they also showed video footage of the attack. In other words, in setting up their video equipment, they new precisely what they were targeting, and this was a civilian paint factory in a civilian kibbutz inside Israel. So much for Helena’s theory of Hamas mistaken targeting.
JES, Azazel, Joshua, Vadim, etc.
As I recall, JES, the last time I removed my foil from its sheath and accepted your challenge to an open duel, your “touche” shrieks became so numerous and your skin so bloody splayed that I stopped the contest before I had even untied my good right hand from behind my back.
I appreciate the complement from Francisco and others in distant time zones, but I find dueling with you and your numerous comrades in the Echo Chamber of Fools (which is the Hasbara manual of sophistry) to be child’s play, and hardly worth the effort. Remember our discussion around the time the London Review of Books published the Walt and Mearsheimer thesis, long before it became a best-selling and oft-quoted book.
I will say you and your chums seem to be ever more desperate these days. What’s wrong is the heat of global warming beginning to get to you? IS it beginning to dawn on you that the tide of recent Israel-Palestine history has turned and the oceans are rising with the cause of justice? Soon Hamas and Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad and all the supporters of the noble and just Palestinian cause will sweep across their lost but not forgotten territory once the greater tahdiyeh is arranged as a final peace settlement.
The day is approaching soon when the entire world will celebrate the end of Zionism’s chicanery like the end of South Africa’s apartheid system was celebrated, only this time it will be a far larger festival because it will occur in Jerusalem attended by members of the international solidarity movement from every nation on earth. Then all the lies and outright murder and thievery which lay at the foundation of modern Zion will be exposed to the hot sun. And all the Muslim and Christian and Jewish and Zoroaster and Animus people of good will will teach the true humanitarian ethic to the children of the fraudulent tribe of Khazar which spawned the despised JESs and Vadims and Kagans and Kristols and Podhoretzs of the 20th century.
…the last time I removed my foil from its sheath…
Ya see, that was your mistake. You should have made your foil into a hat and worn it on your head.
before I had even untied my good right hand from behind my back.
Sd’s broken out of his straitjacket! Someone better page an orderly.
Whatever, JES … I always knew you were a clown, playing with senseless one-dimensional constructions of your own imagination that only you find entertaining. In the end you are just a sorry waste of time, like Mort Salt and Lenny Bruce. When you come over to the reality-based community and strive for the genuine cause of justice, equality, brotherhood/sisterhood, and peace, then people may take you seriously.
Vadim-
Ditto for you, since you are JES’s dittohead.
You should have made your foil into a hat and worn it on your head.
Ditto that!
which spawned the despised JESs and Vadims
your peace loving humanitarianism is shining through, Sd. Show me the way, brother!
Listen to the loudspeaker, Sd: don’t take the brown acid!!
Paranoia strikes deep…
Into your life it creeps…
It starts when you’re always afraid…
Step out of line, they come, and take you away…
We better stop, hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look what’s going down.
Teach your children well!
Peace, love, and understanding!
ditto that
I’ve talked to your mother and I’ve talked to your dad
They say they’ve tried, but it’s all in vain
I’ve begged and I’ve pleaded
I even got mad
Now we must face it, you give me a pain
How can I miss you when you won’t go away?
Keep telling you day after day
But you won’t listen, you always stay and stay
How can I miss you when you won’t go away?
Ohmigod! You mean Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young are still alive… and they read JWN!?!
I didn’t know anyone still listened to their stuff. Why, I remember how back around the Christmas of 1970, which I spent in the (otherwise unpeopled) apartment in Oxford of a good friend whose name I will not reveal if he promises to be nice to me, I listened almost nonstop to his collection of CSNY albums.
This makes me feel OLD. It was, gulp, 38 years ago.