Senator Webb’s Leash for the Dog of War

“We have already given… one effectual check to the dog of war, by transferring the power of letting him loose from the Executive to the Legislative body, from those who are to spend to those who are to pay.”

–Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789

If our new Virginia Senator, Jim Webb, didn’t impress enough yet with his memorable response to the President’s State of the Union address, he’s leading the political troops again with a bold measure to rein in the Imperial Presidency.
While the new Congress muddles gingerly in efforts to restrain the President’s hand in the war already in progress in Iraq, Senator Webb has introduced new legislation intended precisely to prohibit the Bush-Cheney Administration from launching a new war on Iran – without formal Congressional authorization.
Jefferson would approve.
Below I provide the full text of Webb’s floor speech from earlier today (March 5th) introducing his legislation and a few excerpts from his afternoon press conference. It appears the main stream media has barely touched Webb’s bill — so far, even though I anticipate it may yet garner wide, even bipartisan support. (I’ll add more details on the Bill # and actual text, when I get it.) Let’s note reports we see on the bill in the discussion.
Here’s Webb’s Senate speech, with comments inserted:

“Mr. President, I rise today to introduce legislation that will prohibit the use of funds for military operations in Iran without congressional authorization. The purpose of this legislation is to restore a proper balance between the executive and legislative branches when it comes to the commencement of military activities.
“I have taken great care in the preparation of this bill to ensure that it will not in any way prevent our military forces from carrying out their tactical responsibilities in places such as Iraq and in the international waters off Iran’s coast. The legislation allows American forces to directly respond to attacks or possible attacks that might be initiated from Iran, as well as those that might be begun elsewhere and then carry over into Iranian territory. I have also excluded operations related to intelligence gathering.
“The major function of this legislation is to prevent this Administration from commencing unprovoked military activities against Iran without the approval of the Congress. The legislation accomplishes this goal through the proper constitutional process of prohibiting all funding for such an endeavor. Unlike the current situation in Iraq, where cutting off funds might impede or interrupt ongoing operations, this legislation denies funding that would be necessary to begin such operations against Iran in the first place.

Webb then approvingly notes what may be the Bush Administration’s efforts to head off widespread concerns that it was deliberately seeking a pretext to start a war with Iran:

“Mr. President, in the past two weeks we have seen a fresh willingness on the part of this Administration to pursue new approaches for a regional settlement that will eventually allow the United States to withdraw our forces from Iraq, and also increase stability in the Middle East. I would like to commend Secretary of State Rice and Secretary of Defense Gates for their efforts in bringing about what seems to be the beginning of a clear, and much-needed, course correction. It is particularly significant that Iran and Syria have been invited to participate, and that the United States will join, in the upcoming regional meetings regarding Iraq.
“These upcoming meetings will offer many different countries the opportunity to address legitimate concerns and to emphasize mutual interests. I am hopeful that it will open up the door for a different kind of dialogue with Iran. Despite its new-found level of influence in Iraq, it is not in Iran’s best interest to see Iraq disintegrate into anarchy. Iran also has its challenges with its own sectarian groups, not the least of which are the Kurds. Al Qaeda represents a threat to Iran as well, and it is not in Iran’s interest to see this terrorist movement gain even more power. Free and open access to the Strait of Hormuz also is vital to Iran’s economy given its overwhelming reliance on oil exports.”

Webb gets it, even more than the Baker-Hamilton Commission. Iran has specific concrete interests and reasons for wishing to see Iraq remain whole, peaceful, and friendly. In short, as neocon outlets have long denied, the US and Iran have shared interests in Iraq – just as we do in Afghanistan. Iran has reason to be cooperative with Iraq and its neighbor precisely because it is profoundly in their interests to do so.
Webb then transitions to his all-too-plausible fears that a hot war between the US and Iran might yet be manufactured out of the mess in Iraq:

“As this regional conference approaches, the rhetoric with respect to possible Iranian activities inside Iraq continues, and the increases to our naval and missile-defense presence in the Gulf, remain. The Administration’s past failure to engage with Iran diplomatically in a meaningful way, coupled with what Iran could perceive as preparations for a military strike, create a potent brew that easily could lead to miscalculation on both sides.
“The 1988 incident with the USS Vincennes comes to mind, when an overly aggressive commanding officer, operating inside Iranian territorial waters according to a subsequent admission by Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral William Crowe, shot down commercial passenger aircraft Iran Air Flight 655.

This is impressive to me. Webb was President Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy until early in 1988. I was serving in government myself that summer, and I’ll never forget the disgrace of that awful July 3rd. I also vividly remember utterly shameless Congressmen, like California’s Bob Dornan, who literally screamed wild conspiracy theories on the House Floor of how the dastardly Iranians had “deliberately” flown a plane towards the Vincennes with a load of dead bodies, intending to score a propaganda win.
Later, credible international and US inquiries demonstrated that essentially every Iranian claim at the time, save one, was correct. The only thing the Iranians subsequently couldn’t demonstrate was that the US intended to shoot down a civilian plane. Never mind the dishonor brought upon the American navy at the time; the US Vincennes commander – Will Rogers (sic!) – was promoted, not court-martialed.
Some in the Navy today remain willfully clueless. About three years ago, a Naval ROTC commander here at the University of Virginia bluntly told me that if he had been in command on the Vincennes in 1988, he’d have done the same thing and would do so again today. I worry some of his students might now be in decision-making roles on ships in the Persian Gulf today.
Senator Webb doesn’t want to see a repeat of the Vincennes tragedy in a hair-trigger Persian Gulf. More fundamentally, Senator Webb intends to prevent any incidents, accidental or deliberate, from becoming pretexts for Administration neocons to drag the US into a war with Iran, without prior and sober Congressional review:

“These circumstances – the stated desire of many connected to this Administration to invade Iran, the saber-rattling rhetoric, the strategic miscalculations in Iraq – call for this Congress to formalize an historical mandate that in recent years has been lost to the public’s understanding. Quite simply, it is the constitutional obligation of the Administration to obtain congressional approval in order to commence military action against another country, except under very limited circumstances. This is the very process that our founding fathers envisioned.

Founders indeed! Imagine, a rising American political leader invoking our founding fathers on how best to engage the modern post-9/11 world…. (Pardon my excitement: what’d you expect from a Jefferson Fellow?)

“In fact, the records from the Constitutional Convention in August, 1787 make this abundantly clear. There was much debate during this Convention regarding how much authority should be in the hands of the president with respect to actually initiating military action. The Convention’s participants carefully decided that the president should not be given the power to decide with whom this nation should go to war, or to undertake aggressive actions without the consent of the Congress. The president’s powers to initiate military action were to be for the purpose of repelling sudden attacks – which is the language I have included in this legislation.
“As Constitutional Convention delegate James Wilson explained to the Pennsylvania ratifying convention: “This system will not hurry us into war; it is calculated to guard against it. It will not be in the power of a single man, or a single body of men, to involve us in such distress…”

Webb could also have cited then Ambassador Thomas Jefferson’s famous 1789 letter to James Madison as the Constitution was being debated, the one that was pleased to observe that an effective check on “the dog of war” had been crafted to transfer the power of letting that horrendous dog loose “from those who are to spend to those who are to pay.”
Webb then turns the focus to the present:

“To state the obvious, Mr. President, Iran is not Iraq. And the President has no authority to begin unilateral military operations against Iran. In this regard, I would strongly urge my colleagues to consider that the issue before us is not the politics of Iran, but the proper procedures with respect to how we, as a government, lead the United States.

I have a quibble with Senator Webb here. Yes, the difference should be obvious: Iran is not Iraq. An authorization to wage war on Iraq shouldn’t be a carte blanche to go after the next target on the neocon hit list – Iran.
Yet perhaps Jim Webb is not a country music fan. Consider that tens of millions of Americans can still sing the lyrics to the mesmerizing and award-winning 2003 ballad by Allan Jackson, about “Where were you when the world stopped turning?” Jackson’s chorus includes this telling refrain:

“I’m just a singer of simple songs
I’m not a real political man

I watch CNN but I’m not sure I can tell you
The difference in Iraq and Iran”

Come to think of it, I (reluctantly) watch CNN too, and of late, I undersand why the average American will still have little idea what the difference is in the hands of “Blitzer media.” Yesterday’s cardboard enemy is now today’s, and the neocons and their media stooges are still banking on such American ignorance.
Yet Webb has a higher opinion of the American people and their capacity, like their leaders, to wake-up and learn. Amen to that. As such, the point bears repeating: Iran is not Iraq.
Here’s the rest of the Webb statement. It’s so profoundly important, as a matter of Constitutional principle, that I refrain from deleting anything – not even the puzzling second to last paragraph:

“As such, it is far less a matter of possible differences between Republicans and Democrats than it is our mutual concern for protecting the rightful place of the legislative branch in determining the interests of the country and the possible consequences of further military action. In this regard, I would like to point out that the principal sponsor of similar legislation in the other body is Congressman Walter Jones, a Republican from North Carolina.
“On the one hand, the Administration assures us that it has no intention of launching military operations against Iran. On the other, the Administration tells us that all options remain on the table, at a time when our military buildup in the region continues to grow rapidly. And while we see encouraging new diplomatic initiatives with respect to Iraq, it is important that we clarify, formally, the perimeter of our immediate military interests in the Middle East.
“It is time, Mr. President, that we move forward to end our military involvement in Iraq, and the path to doing so is not to widen the war into Iran. Proper, robust diplomacy will enable us to bring greater stability to the region, to remove the American military from Iraq, to increase our ability to defeat the forces of international terrorism, and, finally, to focus on the true strategic challenges that face us around the world.
“I believe the American people will welcome this legislation. This Administration has used force recklessly, choosing the military option again and again while never matching the quality of our military’s performance with robust, creative diplomacy. Furthermore, the President’s “signing statement” accompanying the 2002 congressional resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq indicates that this Administration believes it possesses the broadest imaginable authority to commence military action without the consent of the Congress.
“In signing the 2002 Iraq resolution, the President denied that the Congress has the power to affect his decisions when it comes to the use of our military. He shrugged off this resolution, stating that on the question of the threat posed by Iraq, his views and those of the Congress merely happened to be the same. He characterized the resolution as simply a gesture of additional support, rather than as having any legitimate authority. He stated, “my signing this resolution does not constitute any change in … the President’s constitutional authority to use force to deter, prevent, or respond to aggression or other threats to U.S. interests…”
“This is a sweeping assertion of powers that leaves out virtually nothing. It is a far different matter than repelling an immediate attack, or conducting a war that has been authorized by the Congress. Let’s just match up a couple of these words. The President is saying, for instance, that he possesses the authority to use force to “deter … threats to U.S. interests.” How do you use force to “deter” a threat, rather than preventing or responding to it? And what kind of “U.S. interest” is worthy of the use of force? And, most importantly, how do these vague terms fit into the historically accepted notions of a Commander in Chief’s power to repel attacks, or to conduct military operations once they have been approved by the Congress?
“Mr. President, during our recent hearings on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, I asked both the Secretary of State and the Deputy Secretary of State for clarification of this paragraph in the President’s signing statement. My question was whether this Administration believes it has the authority to conduct unilateral military operations against Iran in the absence of a direct attack or a compelling, immediate threat without the consent of the Congress. Both wrote me lengthy letters in reply, but neither could give me a clear responses. The situation that we now face is that the Administration repeatedly states that it seeks no war with Iran, at the same time it claims the authority to begin one, and at the same time it continues a military buildup in the region.
“The legislation I introduce today is intended to clarify this ambiguity. In so doing, the Congress will be properly restating its constitutional relationship with the executive branch. The Congress will be reinstituting its historical role as it relates to the conduct of foreign policy. And the Congress will be reassuring the American people that there will be no more shooting from the hip when it comes to the gravely serious question of when we send our military people into harm’s way.
“Mr. President I would like to emphasize that this bill will not take any military options off of the table. Nor will it tie the hands of the Administration if our military forces are actually attacked from Iranian soil or territorial waters, or by forces that retreat into Iranian territory. Nor does this legislation let Iran off the hook in terms of our insistence that Iran become a more responsible nation, including our positions regarding Iran’s nuclear program and Iran’s recognition of Israel’s right to exist.
“I was one of the early voices warning that in terms of national security, Iran was a far greater threat than Iraq. This was one of the reasons I opposed the invasion of Iraq in the first place. Again, all of the options regarding Iran remain on the table. The question is in what context these options should be debated, alongside other options designed to eventually open up Iran and bring it responsibly into the world community. In my view, and in terms of the constitutional process, absent a direct attack or a clearly imminent threat, the place for that debate is here in the open forum of the Congress, not in some closed-door meeting at the White House.
“Mr. President, it is my hope that we can take up this necessary legislation either in the format in which I have introduced it today, or as an amendment to the fiscal year 2007 Supplemental Appropriations bill, which we will consider in the next few weeks. I look forward to working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle and welcome their support.

I gasped a bit on the above references to Iran being, relatively a “far greater threat than Iraq” or to keeping “all options regarding Iran on the table.” Perhaps such comments help protect Webb’s flanks against charges of being “soft” on Iran. It then leaves Webb room to articulate the case for why the US should endeavor to negotiate with Iran as an equal – one that should be enticed to become a cooperative member of the international community, much as we did with China over the past 35 years.
Lead on Senator Webb.
Press Conferece Excerpts:
March 5, 2007 Monday
HEADLINE: SEN. JIM WEBB HOLDS A NEWS CONFERENCE ON IRAN
QUESTION: (about Iran not accepting UNSC Resolution 1737:) “How hopeful are you (about?) the diplomatic course?”

WEBB: Well, I think what we have to think about in terms of the situation with Iran is a way to bring Iran into the world community. And that does not mean that we should take a step back from any of the positions that we have with respect to that journey. It’s just that we have to open up different ways to do it. And I don’t think that you can bring a country into the world community by not talking to it.
And my best historical — recent historical example on that is China. When you go back to 1971, China had a number of parallels to Iran today. It was a rogue nation. It had nuclear weapons. It was constantly spouting forward a lot of inflammatory rhetoric. It had an American war on its border that it was actively assisting. And we took measures to bring China into the world community, arguably as a responsible member of the world community.
So what I’m saying here today is clearly that we should not give up any of our positions diplomatically with respect to Iran, but that I believe it is not in the power of the president himself to decide to take unilateral military action there. He needs to come to the Congress, and we need to look at all these issues as a government.

QUESTION: “Jane Harman, Democrat from California, said recently even though {that she preferred?} to solve this issue diplomatically, but she doesn’t think the military option should be off the table.”

WEBB: I said three times in my hearings no options are off the table. The question is whether the executive branch, in and of itself, should have the power to commence a military action in the absence of direct self-defense, and I don’t believe that they do. There’s nothing in the Constitution that says that. And we have the authority, as appropriators, to make sure that doesn’t happen. We need to step forward as a full government here.

QUESTION: (about the allegations of Iranian components in weapons used against Americans)

WEBB: … “And with respect to the specific issue that you asked about, which is the possibility of Iranian weapon systems being used in Iraq and those sorts of things, I think what we’re seeing — if this is true — what we’re seeing is sort of an inevitability with these countries around Iraq in some way playing under the table with respect to ethnic groups that they happen to support.
I’ve often said that I was shot at a lot in Vietnam as a Marine, and there wasn’t a weapon that was used against me that hadn’t been made in China or Eastern Europe. But that doesn’t elevate that situation diplomatically to the point that on that basis alone we should have taken military action against China.”

(This is a rather “realist” response, suggesting that even if Iranian arms have found their ways into neighboring Iraq, well, we shouldn’t be that surprised, and in any case, what of it? Webb then discussed political prospects for the bill, noting again that it might be attached as an Amendment to an Appropriations Bill.)
QUESTION: (regarding the possibility of Iran directly attacking the US and if Webb’s bill would constrain the President then, Webb neatly changes the focus of the question….)

WEBB: My belief is that we should never underestimate the potential that Iran might act irresponsibly. But, at the same time, you can go all the way back to ’01, after we invaded Afghanistan, and Iran was willing to cooperate under certain circumstances.
So I think we’ve had enough signals from Iran over the past several years that in some way balance — counterbalance the rhetoric that spews out of a few people there. And my hope is that we can calm this down a bit, we can calm these issues down a bit, make sure the Congress is directly involved, along with the executive branch, in our decision of where we’re going to go from here, and hopefully, over a period of time, bring Iran into the world community. That should be our goal.

Comment: Webb has been well briefed. Notice that he can well discern between Ahmadinejad’s rantings and a much larger pattern of “signals.” Good for Webb. Webb later responded to more questions about what Iranian actions might permit the President to act without Congress:
QUESTION: Senator, if U.S. forces were to discover IEDs being manufactured in Iran, that were being transported into Iraq, to be used against us, does that qualify under one of your exceptions here, could we take out that IED plant? Or does that mean we can attack (inaudible)?

WEBB: Well, you know, it’s always dangerous to go into what-ifs. Ronald Reagan never answered a what-if question in his entire political career.
But in that specific scenario, I would say that’s very similar to what we were seeing in China during the Vietnam War. The fact that different countries manufacture weapon systems is not in and of itself a justification for military action. But the way that this bill is drafted there is room for the administration to come to the Congress, even in that sort of a scenario, and discuss it.
WEBB: What this bill basically says, is unless you’ve been attacked from — if you’ve been attacked from Iranian soil, you can directly respond to the attack. If you’re about to get attacked, you can preempt that attack. If you’re attacked and troops retreat into Iranian soil, you can continue that in hot pursuit, directly focused tactically. Or if you’re conducting intelligence activities, I don’t want to affect our ability to do that.
That’s it. Anything else, I’m not saying it’s off the table, I’m saying the administration should cooperate with the Congress and let’s speak as one government.

QUESTION: I wanted to ask about the presence of carriers in and around the Persian Gulf. Do you believe that that is helping to deter Iran (inaudible)?

WEBB: You know, when I was secretary of the Navy, aircraft carriers didn’t even operate in the Persian Gulf because it’s such a small area that the radius of operations always has the potential for some sort of accidental conflict. Now we have two of them in there.
I’m not going to stand up here and tell the United States military how to conduct its operations. This really isn’t the purpose of my briefing. But, you know, one way or the other, I’m not sure that that is affecting Iranian diplomatic gestures in a positive way.
I think if the United States decided to, there are many, many different ways that it could commence military action against Iran, even if you don’t have aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. The question is the conditions under which we would do that, and that’s where this bill goes.
This bill basically says the executive branch, this presidency has shot from the hip too many times for us to be able to trust it to act on its own. It’s not the way the Constitution was designed, and we need the Congress to be involved in any decision to commence military activities, absent an attack from the other side or a direct threat.

Well said Senator Webb. Therein is the key to what is forcing the looming Constitutional showdown with George III. Its credibility is ruined on matters of war. It doesn’t deserve to be “trusted.” In such situations, that’s exactly why the founders established Congress as the check on the dog of war.

19 thoughts on “Senator Webb’s Leash for the Dog of War”

  1. In the last election, the American people elected Democrats — including Senator Jim Webb — to Congress specifically so that they would end the colossally failed and fraudulent American military occupation of “sovereign” Iraq. Senator Webb apparently has interpreted his election to mean that he should instead conspire with the Republican Cheney/Bush cabal in perpetuating a senseless and self-destructive quagmire that the American people resoundling do not want. As for the looming prospects of yet another bogus and fraudulent undeclareed “war” against Iran, the ending — forthwith — of the illegal occupation of Iraq will send that messagage louder and with greater clarity than any Senatorial posturing about witholding future funds for undeclared war against Iran even as Senator Webb continues to advocate supplying funds at present for undeclared war and illegal occupation of Iraq. Congress simply has no credibility for withholding funds until it actually demonstrates the willingess to withhold them.
    At any rate, all government spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives. Should the House simply address other pressing national spending concerns first, postponing until “later” (sometime) any non-budgetary “supplemental” spending (i.e., “squandering”) of scarce national resources, the illegal and disreputable military occupation of Iraq by America’s military forces will, by default, have to come to an end. President Bush has enough money left over from the last Congressional supplemental appropriations bill to fund withdrawal of the American military from its illegal and unnecessary occupation of “sovereign” Iraq. If he needs more money to fund withdrawal, he can talk to Congressman Dennis Kucinich about a currently proposed House bill written to schedule and do just that. No “supplemental” House spending bill whatsoever requires no reconciliation conference with the Senate nor Presidential signature. The House of Representatives can do what the American people want done simply by doing nothing and letting the Republican Cheney/Bush cabal attempt to continue their fraudulent, illegal, and unecessary occupation of “sovereign” Iraq by funding it out of their own pockets. I think Ronald Regan tried that during his Iran/Contra scandal. That trick doesn’t work.
    Again, by design of the Constitution, any spending of the public’s money must occur by affirmative legislative action originating in the House of Representatives — such action by design considered hard to obtain and requiring much deliberation. Failure of the House to agree to affirmatively spend money simply results — by design — in no money getting spent and therefore no unfunded actions taking place. So-called “liberals” and others in Congress who never stupidly voted to authorize War on Iraq in the first place have no obligation to start authorizing illegal war and occupation NOW. The abysmally wrong and easily intimidated Congressmen and Congresswomen (like Senator “Buffaloed Girl” You-Know-Her from New York) need to change, NOT those who who rightly opposed War on Iraq and got things right in doing so. Those in error need to stop doing wrong and make things right. Those in not in error need to just stand their ground and let the error run out of gas — i.e., blood and money — and so come to the timely and ignominous end such travesties deserve.
    No money for needless war NOW will take care of unnecessary problems NOW. Taking care of business NOW will make irrelevant the taking care of similar unnecessary busines LATER. Senator Jim Webb just needs to encourage his counterparts in the House to fund Veterans’ health care and other important national priorities FIRST while the Senate for its part revokes the ridiculous “resolution” of “force” against Iraq — i.e., “Gulf of Tonkin II” — fraudulently extorted from the Congress and American people by the discredited and defrocked Republican Cheney/Bush cabal. Jim Webb has come some distance towards a credible position on Iraq. He just needs to come the rest of the way and help terminate the current, stupid disaster FIRST before wandering off into the future with empty threats about not funding HYPOTHETICAL stupid disasters that his present “support the troops” (meaning their commander-in-briefs) mentality show him perfectly willing to underwrite today.
    Congress already has the Constitutional authority to declare war, part of a war, a little war, not much war, or no war at all. Congress already has the Constitutional athority to pay for war, part of a war, a litle war, not much war, or no war at all. Congress already has the Constitutional authority to declare war non-existent, terminated, over, won, lost, tied, or in any event no longer worth fighting and paying for, et cetera et cetera. In other words, Congress already has all the Constitutional authority it needs to decide any and all matters concerning war. The President only has the authority to carry out what the Congress mandates and will fund. Anything else represents an un-Constitutional grab at powers not intended for the Executive Branch’s Imperial President — that profligate spender of other people’s blood and money for purely personal and partisan political gain and the accumulation of ever greater wealth by his corporate supporters and cronies. Jim Webb should know all this and act accordingly. Now. The future will take its cue from the present.

  2. Thanks for your post Michael. You lost me a bit initially with your assertion that Webb has “conspired” with the Bush/Cheney cabal. Conspired?
    Ok, Webb hasn’t yet gone as far as D.K., but “conspired?” If anything, Webb is among the bluntest in “standing his ground” vis-a-vis the Cheney-Bush Administration. No?
    You also puzzle me when you deem a confrontation with Iran as a hypothetical…. Surely you gest? Then again, you repeated that point several times.
    Perhaps it’s my analytical bent to focus on Iran matters, but have you been not paying attention to the major news flow since it came out last fall that the Baker-Hamilton Commision was going to push regional diplomacy as a key to improving the Iraq mess – and getting the US out sooner. ??
    Instead, the neocons launched their “crusdade” to do anything and everything to undercut the idea of working with Iran – in favor of trotting out the old lie that Iran is somehow responsible for the carnage and instability in Iraq. (and thus take the focus away from us) Webb clearly “gets all that.”
    And then you have the Bushies not just refusing to talk to Iran but deliberately ratcheting up the US military posture in the region – with only one conceivable use – to hit Iran. (e.g., the unprecedented and dangerous deployment of full carrier groups inside the Persian Gulf)
    Again – as Webb sees all too clearly.
    It’s not that I disagree with your sentiments with how we got into the Iraq mess, the “cabal” behind it, or that Congress surely could do more to pull the plug on that adventure — even as both republicans and democrats alike are loathe presently to be tarred as “not supporting the troops already there.” (or to be “pulling out just as victory was at hand”)
    However, Webb is quite right to focus attention on the very real danger that the neocons might yet figure out a way to refocus attention away from hell in Iraq and instead onto the “eschatalogical” threat from Iran…..
    And contrary to the political prospects for Congressional action to force a withdrawal from Iraq, I think there could be broad congressional support for an assertion of its “dog of war” prerogatives BEFORE the neocons manage to expand the war into Iran.

  3. I nearly missed this, as our best local columnist, Bob Gibson, had the following report filed under “news” at the Daily Progress:
    http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149193547094&path=!news
    Therein, Ruhi Ramazani characterizes Webb’s bill as being bad news for the neocon warmongers in BOTH the US and Iran.
    I’m yet again puzzled by Larry Sabato – who says he doesn’t see Webb’s bill hurting him – as in Webb – politically. Huh? Sabato also suggests there’s little danger of a war soon with Iran anyway. (Sabato isn’t paying attention either)
    Of greatest concern to me is Senator John Warner’s “imperial” disposition about not wanting to weaken the Commander in Chief…. For this bill to be veto proof, if it gets to that, potentially middle-of-the-road Congressman like Warner need to be “persuaded” of the need to be… if you will… more like Jefferson intended. (a real check on the dog of war)

  4. “funding it out of their own pockets. I think Ronald Regan tried that during his Iran/Contra scandal. That trick doesn’t work.”
    Michael, they didn’t try to fund the Contras out of their own pockets. They funded them out of Iran’s pockets. And it worked splendidly.

  5. All praise and kudos to Sen. Webb.
    That said, in the unlikely event that his bill/amendment is enacted, I wonder what the signing statement would say?

  6. Michael, Joh C.
    I think Ronald Regan tried that during his Iran/Contra scandal.
    Yes “funding it out of their own pockets”

    By May 1984, McFarlane had convinced one of these countries, Saudi Arabia, to contribute $1 million per month to the contra cause. McFarlane instructed his trusted assistant on the National Security Council (NSC) staff, Lt. Col. Oliver L. North, to arrange for a covert bank account to move the Saudi funds into contra hands.2

    Two decades ago, the Reagan Administration attempted to fund the Nicaraguan contras illegally, with the help of secret arms sales to Iran. Saudi money was involved in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal, and a few of the players back then—notably Prince Bandar and Elliott Abrams—are involved in today’s dealings.

  7. Hi Helena:
    I wanted to thank you for this piece, and for all your work, your consistency, your concerns.
    I am just now reading your piece on religious violence, a topic of deep interest to me, and noted two references to Trevor Huddleston CR. Trevor became my guardian when I was about eleven, and was a constant source of encouragement and inspiration to me, as to so many others.
    I find myself very curious about the fact that Trevor, while loving peace, was not a pacifist, and wonder if I might correspond with you, within limits that respect your time and patience, about the intersection of ANC, Gandhian and Friends’ perspectives?
    With warm regards…

  8. dell-You are what we down here call a “wag” or if you believe the Wiki a “dagg.”
    Reading your thoughtful comment and thinking of the grand old flag I am reminded of Rabelais’s last words.

  9. My apologies to Scott and Helena.
    I am new around here, and hadn’t realized / noted that there was more than one person posting. My thanks above should be split in due proportion between you; the body of my message was intended for Helena.

  10. Glad to have you with us Charles. Your “hipbone” project looks like serious fun – perhaps we should apply it for finding “connections” between the US and Iran.
    This jwn forum of course exists thanks to Helena’s generous efforts – and for nearly a year now, I’ve been honored to add items once in a while for discussion, especially when Helena is “spanning the globe” to bring us really fresh new insights. (I expect she’s in Prague about now.) I’ll try to emphasize a tad more when I’m the one contributing.
    By the way, I did received the full text of Senator Webb’s bill from his office yesterday. Alas, it came to me in a .pdf format with guards on it to prevent me from “copying it” into text format. (I can forward to anyone who wishes to see it or who has the time to convert it manually.) It’s not yet available via Nexis/Congressional. I will keep watching for updates and bill # assignments, as they become available.
    regards to all,
    “Scott”

  11. Thanks, Scott.
    > Your “hipbone” project looks like serious fun –
    > perhaps we should apply it for finding “connections”
    > between the US and Iran.
    Is it possible / permitted to upload an image here? I have a “link” between the US and Iran in graphical form which might be of interest…

  12. My thanks to all for the cogent comments and responses. In regards to the Reagan Iran/Contra funding scandal, I certainly remember the American President selling weapons to Iran in exchange for funds surreptitiously used to support South American death squads and all that. Still, despite my poor choice of phrasing, the issue still involved the Executive Branch raising its own funds (from whatever contributors or dealings it could privately arrange) for public purposes not authorized by Congress — thus the crime and the need for punishing it, as duly happened. Such justice can and should happen again. I merely wanted to make that point.
    As this history concerns the present, the Cheney/Bush cabal has already long since misappropriated funds earmarked for Afghanistan and used them for initiating hostilities with Iraq, et cetera. Thus, Congress has all the facts needed for prosecuting the officials responsible; yet still Congress languidly contemplates — and this includes Senator Jim Webb — authorizing still more funds for “Iraq” (or whatever) with no reliable guarantee where or in whose pockets the money will come to rest. I would apologize for the word “conspire,” except that any proposed agreement by Senators, Congressmen, and the President to go on funding and executing a bankrupt policy that the entire world — including even most Americans now — has long since rejected seems like perfectly good conspiring to me. And all out in the open yet! Considering that no known accounting has yet even come close to telling us where all the other missing billions of dollars have disappreared to, et cetera, I simply have no patience with talk about tomorrow when taking care of today gets such short shrift. After all, George Dubya Bush has promised that someday in the future some other president will land Americans on Mars and even cut the growth of the budget deficit in half — someday. What a crock of crap! Time’s up.
    Again, we have more than enough corruption and malfeasance in the American government to put away scores of officials for long, long prison sentences. Doing nothing, however, convinces the perps that only cheap talk about tomorrow — and nothing else — will “impede” their obvious and stated goal of simply stalling for two more bloody years until they can hand the debacle to somebody else and then blame their successors for the past six years of unmitigated disaster. Senator Webb really ought to know all this. I like him (except for the career militarism) and admire his progress towards “someday” doing “something” about Iraq. I just don’t have any more patience with those who willingly condone and cooperate with colossal stupidity while promising that someday in the future they’ll behave responsibly. Just not now.
    I have not missed all the conflicting and worrisome rumors about future undeclared war with Iran, but again I see no reason why Senator Webb should suppose that Cheney and Bush will take him seriously about not funding such efforts when the two miscreants currently seem to have the good Senator willing to appropriate more funds for reasons long since — like four years now — discredited. Once Sheriff Dick and Deputy Dubya commit the “troops” (or Air and Naval forces) into — or above — “harm’s way” the typical extortionate “logic” takes over and the Congress ponies up the funds. It works every time. So, again, until Senator Webb and his Congressional colleagues actually cut off the money for Iraq, no pontificating (however well intentioned) about Iran will affect plans underway by two officials who never have to face election again anyway.
    As a victim/veteran of the Nixon-Kissinger Fig Leaf Contingent (Vietnam 1970-1972) I remember all too well how agonizingly long it took for Congress to finally do three desperately important things: (1) cut off the money for more air-war-substituting-for-ground-war in Vietnam; (2) revoke the “authorizing” legislation abused by a series of Presidents (i.e., the “Gulf of Tonkin” resolution”); and (3) punish the perpetrators. Watergate provided the legal case to carry the load, but Agnew and Nixon had to go for far more serious reasons than just a “second rate burglary.” I remember Vietnam (as should Senator Webb) and my memories have never left me willing for one minute to go on supporting bloody stupidity just so vapid, vainglorious boobs in office can drag out the inevitable at unconscionable cost to all concerned. Time’s up.
    To summarize, if the American government and military knew what to do about Iraq — like stay the hell out of it — they would have done so already. If they could have, they would have; but they didn’t, so they can’t. Time’s up. Senator Webb, for all his wonderful, stated intentions, just needs to put up and shut up. Bring the troops home now — like in six months. That ought to do it just fine. Anything else amounts to conspiring with criminals to condone and continue a monstrous crime against both Iraq and America. Enough already!

  13. “thus the crime and the need for punishing it, as duly happened. Such justice can and should happen again. I merely wanted to make that point.”
    Michael, while I agree with your sentiment, I have to differ once more with your recollection of the Iran/Contra affair. By what measure do you conclude that punishment “duly happened” or “justice” was done in that case? Consider what happened to Elliott Abrams (pardoned), Oliver North (conviction overturned), John Poindexter (conviction overturned), John Negroponte (unindicted), Caspar Weinberger (pardoned), Robert Gates (unindicted), George H.W. Bush (unimpeached), Ronald Reagan (unimpeached), etc. None of them received any punishment at all. They totally got away with it. And obviously, this same crowd is still running the country today.

  14. Both John Poindexter and hippie preacher Bill Breeden attended the same high school, in the very small town (pop. 1,500) of Odon, Indiana. The Poindexters, it seems, were the local power brokers- members of the family head the local branch of the Republican Party and the county police department. By contrast, Bill Breeden’s wife worked as a peace witness in Nicaragua.
    As Poindexter was hauled in front of a Senate committee investigating Iran-Contra, the city fathers of Odon decided to name the street in front of the high school after their town’s most famous son. When Breeden saw the sign “John Poindexter Street” hanging in front of his alma mater, he apparently was so irritated that he took the sign down and took off with it.
    Then he told his twin brother about what he had done and they both returned to the street corner to put up their own hand-marked poster, objecting to Poindexter’s actions and signing it “MWLF: the Midwest Liberation Front.” The P.O.V. documentary interviews the deputy marshal who found the Breeden brothers’ handiwork and panicked. He apparently confused MWLF for PLO and claims, straight-faced and with a delicious drawl, “I was afeared we was gonna be invaded!” So the deputy called up the county sheriff and soon, a half dozen county cops were cruising the forests outside town, searching for Breeden’s teepee and the notorious sign.
    Meanwhile, Breeden called the local networks and gave an interview from an anonymous grove, displaying the sign but pleading the fifth when asked if he was guilty of stealing it. Breeden declared he was holding the sign hostage and was asking for a $30 million ransom-the same amount Poindexter allegedly smuggle do the Contras. Breeden said the ransom money would be used for medical supplies for the children of Nicaragua.
    As the action on the screen builds to a hilariously frenetic pace, Bill and his brother and their wives sing and fiddle the MWLF anthem in the background, to the tune of “Camptown Races.” “we’re the Midwest Liberation Front, doo-dah, doo-dah,!” Eventually, Breeden became fearful for his life, what with a dozen cop cars continually cruising the area looking for him, and he turned himself in., driving up to the courthouse in his battered VW, spray-painted with radical slogans, as a crowd gathered. He was tried and sentenced by a jury of outraged townsmen to eight days in jail, of which he served four.
    The irony, of course, is that Poindexter and company received an executive pardon from the president for what might be considered a far more serious crime. This odd and amusing P.O.V. tale, although very much played for laughs, not only entertains, but provides a very simple outline, in the words of people who through some happy accident were all directly involved and all lived in the same small town.
    National Security Advisor Poindexter, according to the charges against him, secretly sold weapons to Iran and, after raising $30 million from this illegal sale (to which no member of congress was Privy) gave the money to the contra rebels in Nicaragua. They, in turn, used the funds to do things like blow upbus loads of school children, according to Mrs. Breeden.
    Mrs. Breeden, doing relief work in Nicaragua, saw this occur. And when they returned to her husband’s home town of Odon, the Breedens were shocked to see the townspeople putting this sign up honoring Poindexter whom, it claimed, was a “town hero” who “never did anything wrong we could see.” Behind the laughter, the political commentary is scorching, and the condemnation of isolationist, small-town mentalities is all the more effective in the absence of narration.
    The history of America records that Breeden served more time in jail for stealing a street sign than any of the culprits in the national Iran-Contra scandal.

  15. I really appreciated this post. I wrote Senator Webb and told him I thought he was exemplary, and that perhaps he is on his way to becoming another hero like Senator Patrick Leahy, who is my guy!
    Cheers,
    KDJ

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